Do you guys sub Q inject?

[PHD]

Well then by all means continue bro. I’m no doctor I do what has been done for years and what works. I’m not here to reinvent the wheel or say it’s wrong. I just said makes no sense to me.

 

[Ironside]

Here’s the bottom line. When you get pharmaceutical testosterone from your doctor, from the pharmacy, the directions both in the pamphlet and on the vial say for intramuscular use. The directions specifically describe injecting into the muscle as your doctor has shown you. Your doctor shows you how to do an intramuscular injection and educates you on the procedure to do the intramuscular injection. There are very few doctors that I have heard of ir seen tell a patient to use sub q injections and those have been for overweight patients or those that are going through a gender change from female to male. If you’re not one of those then there’s no point lol

 

[PHD]

Lol well that pretty much squashed the bro science theory. But I’m sure this same subject will come back up in a month or so lol

 

[Andrew0409]

It’s something doctors are coming to accept and even recommend recently.

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[Andrew0409]

How is it a science theory? I know more than a few who sub q TRT and their bloods look even better since they split the doses sub q.

Are you saying injections of oils sub q doesn’t work?

Honestly you’re coming off a bit like an ass and close minded to new ideas. Half the shit we do is from someone seeing if it works, people would have thought a lot of shit was weird and “re inventing the wheel” like making trenbolone from cattle pallets.

 

[PHD]

If you read what I said I never said. You guys really need to read. I think you just want to argue. I don’t care if you subq or inject Into your dick I could careless. I said FOR ME it makes no sense and I would never do it. I’ve been injecting inter-muscular for years and I can promise you it works now take someone that injects subq and compare them to me or @Ironside who does inter-muscular and I guarantee you that intermuscular injections will look better. If your doctor says do it then do it bro doesn’t matter what I think. Just do you quit seeking approval from a board just follow your doctors orders

 

[Andrew0409]

I’m not seeking approval. I’m discussing. You come off like ass more than once. Notice how you get into arguments the most? You want to keep thinking it’s everyone else or maybe do some self reflection?

If everyone seems to not understand you and find you coming off close minded and like a dick. Maybe it’s actually you? Not everyone else not being able to read. I don’t knock your knowledge but take the ego down a notch. We are all equals here.

 

[PHD]

I’m coming off like an ass because you keep twisting my words and trying to say I said this and that. Pay attention bro

 

[PHD]

I’m known to speak my mind I didn’t come off like a dick to you but you keep putting words in my mouth and saying I said stuff I didn’t. You’re tryin to argue for no reason. I just to me makes no sense. I didn’t say you’re dumb for doing I said follow what your doctor said.

 

[Andrew0409]

Show me where I twisted your word. I only asked what you mean multiple times to which you scoffed and lol at simple questions like I’m a idiot.

 

[PHD]

And as far as ego I have no ego at all everyone that knows me will tell you I’m the most humble person you will meet

 

[Andrew0409]

So it’s a coincidence I see you get into major arguments more often than anyone else? Everyone is gunning for you right?

 

[PHD]

If you’re a dumbass I’ll call you out. Get over it loli won’t back down and if I’m wrong I’ve admitted

 

[Andrew0409]

Still waiting for you to tell me where I twisted your word.

 

[PHD]

look I’m done arguing with you. I never said you were dumb or anything like that I said to me it makes no sense that’s all. Like I said carry on

 

[PHD]

You can wait all day go back and read my first comment

 

[Ironside]

I’ve seen and read the articles from Dr. Crisler and what he believes is not the majority. If you want to talk “availability” the fact is that you have to look at the molecular weight of the ester. In testosterone enanthate, for every 100mg of testosterone, the molecular weight of the ester will reduce the bioavailability of the testosterone to 83mg. That is all that is available for the body to use. It doesn’t matter if you inject it sub q or intramuscular at that point you are still only receiving 83mg of every 100mg injected regardless of the application. Going sub q will not change the molecular weight of the ester therefore there is not a single milligram more than 83mg per 100mg that can be utilized. Now if we want to discuss distribution via fat cells vs muscle cells then yes, it does take longer for fat to metabolize or break down the ester and release the testosterone into the body which could, in theory, create more stable levels allowing for less of a “spike” in total serum levels but let’s be serious here. There is very little information out there to show just how much. It could be a few nanograms or it could be 100s. Unless someone is willing to get multiple blood tests week to week or some study has been done and published that we haven’t seen yet then this is all just theorized anyway. In the end it comes down to whatever preference for injection you have and it can’t really be argued because there’s just not enough studies being done on the differences to prove or disprove any of us at this point.

 

[Andrew0409]

Bro. I literally asked you some questions on what you mean clearly. I do respect your knowledge and opinion. All I got is “lol at this science theory” and other smart ass comments. I never once twisted what you said. Not once. Bodybuilding is constantly evolving, there’s guy running new drugs we’ve never heard of. I think we should be more open minded. Not scoff at new ideas because it’s reinventing the wheel. That’s all I’m saying. No trying to argue with you. Just want to discuss openly.

 

[PHD]

I’m with @Berserker on this. SubQ injections make no sense. You’re suppose to inject into a muscle. Trust me I get sick of pinning as I pin 4 times a day and my gh and other peptides. There are plenty of muscles to pin. I know some people like subq but just isn’t for me

What doesn’t make sense? The low amount dose you can sub q?

All I said is subq made no sense. Never said low dosage or anything. I said for me. Didn’t knock you for doing it. I feel like you tried to start an argument for your cause. I said it’s not for
Me and I know plenty of people that like it. That’s it bro. Never once mocked you till you kept
Asking questions that I never stated

 

[Ironside]

@Andrew0409

Just being honest here bro, I have read the comments word for word and I don’t see your point of view with PHD. He never called you names or from what I could tell intentionally disrespected you. He just disagrees with the practice and stated that he doesn’t see the point in doing it. He’s been at this for almost 2 decades. He doesn’t see the point so he doesn’t do it. That’s all it looks like to me man.

I for one talk to PHD all the time. Literally every day and I’ve told him before when I thought he was wrong for something he did or the way he may have acted but I’m just not seeing it here.

Let’s get back on topic. You wanted a discussion. You got it but don’t get pissed off at the responses that you requested.