Bring ALT AST Levels DOWN!

josh

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Ive been trying for weeks with LIV52, Tudac, NAC, and Taurine to bring my ALT AST levels down, was doing pretty good at gettin them back in check, and Now i got them up higher than i need I want to…
Anybody with some good advice for help in getting them back in check??? Help in bringing them back down?
 
Are they really out there…? Also, as you know ratio can tell something and other markers too. Also, think about taking all the pills of Liv52,etc and everything has to be filtered. That being said, Finding the offending substance or disorder and attacking this from that route. I am trying to say it is not always liver problem. These cover Heart and alt , breakdown of muscle. Off the top of my brain lets say its AAS and bbing lifestyle causing liver damage asnd all else is good. I hate doing that but lets just start there. No Heart damage, No sleep apnea, No slightly torn muscle, No hepatitis. No smoking, no heavy drinkling and not a horrible high fat diet. It gets more confusing because everyone on high protein high fat ,low carb will deny any fatty liver chances and thats wrong. Its not horrible but you someone on that kick and keto, fasting, and im not against those at certain times but your looking at first RESTING LIVER. Cut the bulking diet. protein and steroids . Also if you have been on any antibiotics, dexmethasone, prednisone(other steroids) it can cause high levels. If your Doc is concerned he will order an US of Liver. Then Diet and exercise…we exercise bu the diet should be low fat and lower protein. Even a gram per pound of LBM is probably fine, lean protein, feed your LBM. We dont feed fat anyway. So a break or lowering AAS intake and lowering Bodyfat basically. I always advocated cycling. Even if its 8 on 4 off. I never even felt "off " until 4 weeks or more. No HCG, No clomid, No nolvadex…I didnt do PCT. Not saying im right but when I did “everything” and had more money, better connections, etc…I never recovered properly. Like a total rest from the gym twice a year for a couple weeks or active rest. I would be off and training for the last 6 weeks after being on 12 weeks and training. then it was time to cycle again and I would frontload test or sustanon, and not train for 1-2 weeks. when i got back after a couple days warmup my strength and size would feel great. 1. Identify problem…AAS lowered or off, train faster not super intense, less protein and fat. Look for good combos of supplements,example tumeric and milk thistle together is supossed to be better than just milk thistle. Next is drugs that lower ALT/ggtp/AST but I highly doubht thats form you.
 
Yes like @rnmuscle said when you are taking even over the counter pills your liver still has to filter all that. I would pick only one of those. (Liv52 , NAC, or TUDCA) I would run all 3 and get some reshi mushroom. Great for kidney function also and helps repair damaged cells.
 
Are you drinking alcohol or Just on gear? Running that cocktail keeps my numbers in line even on an oral. So wondering if you’re adding fuel to the fire outside of gear.
 
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Have you had any issues with your liver in the past? I know you’d asked about choline and inositol before, were any issues subdued before running cycles?
 
In case…for sure… My ramble is always like I put in there, Only AAS and food for many years. If the lifestyle was different or other meds used, it becomes a whole different look. Either way I must say there are many variables and the ultrasound with a doctor that won’t brush u off for being a horrible steroid abuser is still the best next step. The liver is amazing but…
 
I had major alcohol issues in the past yes, and always consistently trying to bring them down @Fitraver. And liver enzymes did come down but have stayed above the “normal” level. Doctors keep saying they will eventually go back but id like to get them down to comfortable levels
 
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@PHD this is what I found on WebMD

Vitamins & Supplements
REISHI MUSHROOM
OTHER NAME(S): Basidiomycetes Mushroom, Champignon Basidiomycète…
Overview Information
Reishi mushroom is a fungus that some people describe as “tough” and “woody” with a bitter taste. The fruiting body (above-ground part) and mycelium (filaments connecting a group of mushrooms) are used as medicine.

Reishi mushroom is used for boosting the immune system; viral infections such as the flu (influenza), swine flu, and avian flu; lung conditions including asthma and bronchitis; heart disease and contributing conditions such as high blood pressure and high cholesterol; kidney disease; cancer; and liver disease. It is also used for HIV/AIDS, altitude sickness, chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), trouble sleeping (insomnia), stomach ulcers, poisoning, and herpes pain. Other uses include reducing stress and preventing fatigue.

In combination with other herbs, reishi mushroom is used to treat prostate cancer.

How does it work?
Reishi mushroom contains chemicals that seem to have a variety of potentially beneficial effects, including activity against tumors (cancer) and beneficial effects on the immune system.

@mommie2008 this looks like a good read for you too look into also!
 
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Before anything… Have you had An ultrasound? Usually in your hx that’s the next step. They go down when the damaging factor is taken off the table for awhile(for good). Some of it gets more personal. Hep c?(don’t answer) get hep a hep b vaccine(twinrix) just in case. This is assuming your liver has some scarring or more damage then just using AAS.
 
I got vaccinate for a and b when I was in college due to the massive amounts of international students we had at my college, didnt really make sense to me at the time but I went threw with it!😀
 
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