SubQ versus IM for HGH

[BrandonIron]

Can anybody confirm a difference between injecting HGH subcutaneously and Intramuscularly? I‘ve read so much conflicting information about this stuff. This is why I spent years researching it before starting, but now I’m confused again because of an article I just read. It stated that:
SubQ = 75% bioavailability
IM = 63% bioavailability

I tried the subcutaneous injection and I just can’t get over sticking a needle in the most sensitive parts of my body. It hurts. But if what I read is true, I will be wasting money not going that route. Can anybody shed some light on this for me?

 

[BigDogg]

You should post a link to the article. I’ve not seen any legitimate comparison. In the few studies I’ve seen where they used multiple administration methods, the serum levels were pretty similar. Comparing efficacy of different administration methods was not the purpose of any of the studies I’ve seen though. Seems like it shouldn’t make a difference but this is something I’ve wondered about for a while. I’m not a fan of subq either just cause of 5he occasional bruising and lumps.

 

[BrandonIron]

Same. I’ll see if I can find it again

 

[BrandonIron]

Here it is. Before I post, it is a sponsor site that is not approved by ugm, and it looks like it’s fraudulent anyway. I will post a screenshot of the info I read but not a link to the site unless somebody tells me that I can do that. There is no research or studies sited to back it up, but it did catch my eye and make me wonder:

 

[n3rd]

WHere are you injecting subq?
When I first started, it was little annoying but never actually hurt?
Sub Q should be 2 inches to the left or right of your belly button.
Also, when it did seem to annoy me, I found that when i pinched the skin to the subq, I’d pinch it a little harder.

 

[Raphael3636]

I always sub q , guess I’m old school, I always go to my abdomen, I just rotate around about 2" around the belly button. With a 31g you’ll have zero scaring

https://images.app.goo.gl/W6q27X89V6EEw51S7

 

[BrandonIron]

Yeah that’s where we’re doing it, my wife’s a nurse so she gives me all of my shots, and she’s doing SubQ injections of gh on herself, I did it twice and really didn’t like it. I just wish I knew if one was truly better than the other.

 

[n3rd]

Honestly, just go with whatever feels better.

 

[Cathead]

@BrandonIron, how much is your wife taking? How much are you taking? My wife is running 1 IU of the blue and it has been a life changer for her.

 

[johnjuanb1]

SubQ has a 50% absorption rate with lower peak and about a 12 hour half life, plus a higher IGF1 conversion.
IM has a 70% absorption rate with a higher peak and about a 7 hour half life.
IV has 100% absorption rate with a very high peak and a 4.5 hour duration.

I was told one top Olympia competitor living in Las Vegas took 6ius serostim IM upon waking, 6ius serostim immediately post workout intravenously in the gym bathroom, and 6ius serostim before bed subQ for slow release while sleeping. My buddy gave him the IV shot in the bathroom because his hands were shaking too hard to do it himself. It was during Olympia precontest training. This was around 10 years ago.

 

[n3rd]

So do you recommend going IM vs sub q?

shit… neither bother me, just thought sub q was best…

 

[Raphael3636]

How bout IV

 

[johnjuanb1]

My buddy is competing in the USA. Chad Nichols has him do all his HGH IM. 4ius upon waking and 4ius before bed. I think most guys do it IM.

 

[BrandonIron]

She is running 2iu I am doing 4.

 

[PHD]

Honestly I don’t think it matters. John meadows is my coach and I asked him if he thinks there’s a difference he said no. He said as long as he can do IM he does IM until he’s too lean where it’s hard to inject the he does sub.

I think people way over think all this stuff. There’s no magic way to take gear to turn you into Ronnie Coleman overnight.

 

[PHD]

This is only with gh though. Gear should always be done IM. Sub with gear will tend to bind to fat tissue and make you hold onto fat more.

 

[johnjuanb1]

A lot of TRT guys do daily subQ testosterone cypionate. The long ester administered daily in subQ doses keeps free testosterone higher and estrogen conversion lower. Personally, I didn’t like sub Q AAS shots. They tend to welt up a little for me. Although, I didn’t try the cypionate ester. I tried it with sustanon. The prop ester in sustanon always swells a little.

 

[PHD]

Yea I’m with you not a fan.

 

[BrandonIron]

That sounds horrible, a 1 ml SubQ shot?!

 

[BrandonIron]

That’s exactly what I wanted to hear, and that’s definitely from an expert. Thanks :+1:t2: