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And you’re going to need more than nolva. With tren. You need to stop tren probably a month out before your pct. use the search function to look up standard pct protocol.
@Tdaddy1 to be clear- you have a lot to learn before you should even be thinking about a cycle. And you’re on one. Using a compound most people wait years to use. You’re making a poor life choice in my opinion, but it’s your life. Your future health. Your call.
@Tdaddy1 to be clear- you have a lot to learn before you should even be thinking about a cycle. And you’re on one. Using a compound most people wait years to use. You’re making a poor life choice in my opinion, but it’s your life. Your future health. Your call.
This is an excellent write up from @Bigmurph.
A normal conventional pct protocol is a combination of Clomiphene citrate and Tamoxifen Citrate
Or clomid and Nolvadex.
If you run a long ester cycle with enanthate or cypionate you would start 2wks after your last injection. If you were running a longer ester such as an undecanoate or a deconate you might want to wait 3wks or longer. If you’re running short esters like prop phenylpropionate or others usually 3-5 days later is the time you would start your pct depending on the ester and its half life.
If you have used hcg then you have a head start but either way you will need a minimum of 42 Clomiphene 50mgs and 42 Nolvadex 20mgs.
Some use more depending on the cycle and how hard your system is shutdown.
The dosing schedule should look like this
Wk1 clomiphene 100mgs/Nolvadex 40mgs
Wk2 100/40
Wk3 50/20
Wk4 50/20
This protocol will bring back 90% of aas users from there cycle. I reccomend blood work to show everything is back to normal. If its still off you can try some hcg and another round of Clomiphene at 50mgs for 4wks.
A normal conventional pct protocol is a combination of Clomiphene citrate and Tamoxifen Citrate
Or clomid and Nolvadex.
If you run a long ester cycle with enanthate or cypionate you would start 2wks after your last injection. If you were running a longer ester such as an undecanoate or a deconate you might want to wait 3wks or longer. If you’re running short esters like prop phenylpropionate or others usually 3-5 days later is the time you would start your pct depending on the ester and its half life.
If you have used hcg then you have a head start but either way you will need a minimum of 42 Clomiphene 50mgs and 42 Nolvadex 20mgs.
Some use more depending on the cycle and how hard your system is shutdown.
The dosing schedule should look like this
Wk1 clomiphene 100mgs/Nolvadex 40mgs
Wk2 100/40
Wk3 50/20
Wk4 50/20
This protocol will bring back 90% of aas users from there cycle. I reccomend blood work to show everything is back to normal. If its still off you can try some hcg and another round of Clomiphene at 50mgs for 4wks.
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Hey blood work done ASAP. You may be crashing your estrogen which is really bad. Tren doesn’t increase estrogen or so
I have read. You shouldn’t need an anti estrogen if using Tren. Get bloods done and stop using AI and Tren. Thankfully
Your on a small dose. But crashing your natural estrogen will fuck you up bad mentally and physically. Am I right on this @NeuroRN just checking myself.
I have read. You shouldn’t need an anti estrogen if using Tren. Get bloods done and stop using AI and Tren. Thankfully
Your on a small dose. But crashing your natural estrogen will fuck you up bad mentally and physically. Am I right on this @NeuroRN just checking myself.
You’re exponentially closing that window forever by doing what you’re doing at such a young age.Tdaddy1 said:
This site is all about “the lifestyle” and everything that goes along with it…everyone also supports your choice, as an adult, to do pretty much whatever you want to do to yourself… BUT we also practice HARM REDUCTION which is taking something extremely dangerous and reducing it down to acceptable levels of risk. Sometimes it’s a harsh reality to us/me/you when presented with the facts of what will/could happen as the result of our/mine/your decisions.
@Tdaddy1 sir… you’ve crossed the line in several aspects. I’m not sure which one is the most hazardous to your health… maybe the sum total of all things.
You made exceptional gains naturally which shows you’re not afraid to put in the work. You had every bit of 3 (possibly 6) more years to capitalize on your natural abilities.
Tren is extremely dangerous and there are many guys, me included, that won’t touch the stuff. There are many that tried it and won’t go back. IMO unless you’re extremely educated and advanced in the world of aas, it’s hands off.
You’ve put yourself at risk of shutting down several natural bodily functions for the rest of your life… the important ones that make men…men.
No one here is berating you by any stretch and have your well being in mind.
I understand the allure of wanting to be enhanced… the whole culture of injecting yourself… talking about it… being one of the cool guys here on UGM (haha)…the perceived gains you would of never made naturally (false assumption)…the whole totality of all of it… cool little vials… syringes… it just all seems so cool and dangerous at the same time.
My advice is ask for help weaning your body off of this stuff. Getting your natural levels back and picking back up in a couple of years. You can still be a full fledged participating member here on UGM. When you’re really ready you’ll be fully educated and the sky will be the limit for you.
I will also, in the spirit of full disclosure, say that I’ve been talked (gently scolded) out of doing silly stuff on several occasions by the fine gentlemen here on UGM. I’m on the other end of the age spectrum from you and there’s many compounds that I’ve wanted to try and have had a gentle slap from @NeuroRN @TBU @Bigmurph @herrubermensch along with others. It’s just wasn’t in my best interest for harm reduction or quality of life. I’m on the most boring stuff in the world (probably the least on this site)but it works for me and these guys don’t care… it’s not like they make fun of me for not being on some exotic multi compound cycle. We’re all inclusive brother.
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I forgot the terminator @Kad1 … oh lord. @Tdaddy1 i would encourage you to seek out his posts/pics.
He’s arguably the best all around conditioned member here.
He’ll chime in shortly I’m sure. His advice will be spot on and not so gentle at times. He’s no youngster and has been in the strength and conditioning game a long time.
He’s arguably the best all around conditioned member here.
He’ll chime in shortly I’m sure. His advice will be spot on and not so gentle at times. He’s no youngster and has been in the strength and conditioning game a long time.
@Tdaddy1 , you are getting some really good advice from some smart, mature people who have been there, done that. We’ve all done really stupid shit in the past. The difference is: we learned from it, and we are just trying to help you not make the same mistakes many of us did. I STILL have to be talked out of doing stupid shit by @Poppy , @NeuroRN , @Bigmurph , @Kad1 and others. There is an allure and a compulsion to do ever more in this lifestyle, but it has to be resisted or you will regret it. Especially at your young age, when you very well could do some permanent damage and alter your life plans irreversibly. Final word: Please don’t listen to the local “guy” who says we are all full of shit, that tren won’t hurt you, that you just pop a little Nova at the end of a cycle and you’ll be all good. That is NOT an intelligent or informed position. Period.
Good luck, and good gains.
Good luck, and good gains.
There really isn’t any more that needs to be said here. Enough has been explained to you so that you can make an informed decision from guys who have been there and done that. You’ve now got to decide what is more important, your health or your physique? Test alone should be able to get you great gains at your age with lowered risk. Get some experience then decide what you may want to try next. Working with kids your age my fear is that you are going to go do whatever it is you want because all kids think they know everything and that’s ok, we will be here to help.
Start with getting labs drawn get some things for PCT and I’d also get HCG for during cycle.
Good luck
Start with getting labs drawn get some things for PCT and I’d also get HCG for during cycle.
Good luck
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