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What??? Bro nothing should crash at room temperature if it does it’s bullshit and it should be thrown away.
 
The one and only time I ever received something that crashed was just recently. It was DHB, which is a pretty fragile compound anyway, but it sat in 30° F temps outside for about 10 hours. Even that said, the crystallization was very slight and only at the bottom of the bottle. You could see hormone in the solution as well but again only ever so slightly.
 
Well this really surprised the shit out of me because i’ve never run into the issue of seeing crystals in the vial… and with reading and seeing what’s happened to people, it’s scary AF
 
This is why I said from the beginning not to get that stuff. I say things because I know what I’m talking about. Hence why I only back to sources on this board @MPG and @SymBiotecLab. This crashing shit has got to quit be acceptable by members. You’re putting this stuff in your bodies be fucking picky and anal
 
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I think theres a huge difference between “crashed” gear and completely FUBAR gear. If it looks like a damn slushy or a bottle of pop-rocks then there was something seriously freakin wrong with it. Until recently, I didnt ever see stuff look like that. In the past if it was “crashed” you might see something that looks more like cracking ice in a very thin layer, usually on the bottom or the oil is just slightly cloudy where the compound came out of solution. I wouldn’t ever try to bring something like a slushy back. And more importantly, if you are going to use crashed gear (like I mentioned) and reheat it, then do it but let the bottle(s) sit for a couple of weeks to be sure it won’t crash again. If it does, pitch it.
 
It also needs to be said who it is in public. There was a big post by @TG saying crashed gear would not be accepted anymore (unless a member states they are okay with it ahead of time). So if people are still getting it and they didn’t approve it needs to be called out in the open. Not pm. That’s just my opinion tho. Members need to be made aware of who can’t brew uncrashed gear.
 
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These are 2 bottles of DHB (I will not comment on the source as they are not on this board) that I spoke of earlier. I heated them at 190° which is half of the melting point of the raw, for 20min and let them cool on their own back to room temperature. I have only done this the one time and I have let them sit for over a week now, checking them daily and they are completely clear and show no signs that they will crash again. I still believe you have to be very careful and cautious about doing this and you have to do your due diligence to ensure your own safety.


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Imo that is a little different. Now, it still could be brewed without crashing at all, but I am less concerned heating something with very little crystals one time and having it be okay. With that said, I’d still want to know about it ahead of time and get the choice. The stuff we have been seeing on here is like slushees. No reheating is fixing that stuff.
 
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Oh I definitely agree with that man. I was trying to more stress that I knew the reason it began to crash and I knew how to fix it with a relative science lol. I’ve been speaking with more brewers lately trying to learn the most that I can and even those individuals would say that something went terribly wrong if it looks like that and to not use it.
 
Major crashed gear comes from inexperienced or cooks who are making products outside their capabilities. Many sources never once have this issue and know alot of them personally thru the years. Its still never acceptable to be sold even with reheating. If a source is playing around with recipes and fucks up then its on him and should be taken as a loss not listed as a discount item. This isnt walmart clearance isle for shopping shit products.

What would happen if we allowed this shit to be sold on the board and say “oh just reheat it” and we have a whole board of people running to ERs with issues?
 
💯💯💯 so glad you took a stance at this I can find multiple threads in a few of the sponsors sections where “oh just reheat it” was the norm. I like that you’re taking the steps to protect the members and make UGM a higher standard for boards.
 
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I absolutely agree with your stance here bro. It’s a safety concern and needs to be address with violence of action. If the compound is already crashed and hasn’t even left the lab yet, it should be tossed. Period. They should never try to sell it that way. If it happens in delivery or in the consumers hands then it should be replaced without question. That’s just good customer service. The individual I got my DHB from was ridiculously apologetic and said he would replace it. I was the one that actually asked him to hold off, which is a different scenario completely. I still wouldnt be surprised if replacements showed up regardless of asking him to wait. The difference is that I made that call though and wasnt told “oh just reheat it.”
 
I consider myself an exemption to the rule on crashed gear, at least 6 months of the year.
If I dont have a fire going my house gets cold. 50 degrees inside is normal for me.
20 below outside is common.

Some of you may remember the experiment I did with omni TNE.
I had it in the freezer for a couple days before it crashed.
Once it crashed it was hard to get to stay dissolved again.
I could heat and have it good, then a few days later crashed again.
I finally found success by keeping it stored on the dish network receiver, a warm spot in the house.
 
I can only say this. Im not here to change anyones mind on anything. I have access to very sanitary conditions, always use a draw needle, Yada, Yada… Ive used AAS for a long time,Knew the right people in powerlifting, Beat guys onstage that are pros (or were as well) . Its fun to look back. Being the young kid with anthony Clark, Kirk Karwoski, ETC. 2 ruptured triceps and a torn patellar tendon, Posterior Ligament, a couple incisions and drainages. I also have other Knowledge. I 100% did not believe in the heating of gear, but then again I didn’t believe in pro hormone craze until I saw guys blowing up(getting sick too) I was there for the GHB powder sold at the Gymmees store and until I heard they were taking it off the shelves. I heard about evryone doing the “crashed gear” and so followed suit. I dont even know what happened but it was different than the 10 other times i did it. I felt a “pop” after pushing hard on the syringe. So , possibly a “crystal” lodged in some tissue and caused bleeding? I cant say. I just know theres worse stuff that can happen. But if we can follow That harm reduction(great idea) process,the next guy doesnt miss 3 weeks of training, cant sleep, have to walk in and say " can you please look at my ASS? Lifes just easier!!! How many of us would admit using over and over that troy(illeum) and a couple other winstrol that would clog a 20g, so I would shake it real hard and go real fast and half the time the neddle blew off!!! All of a sudden , its micronized we need. With all the knowledge at our fingertips we should know better.
 
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