Just over 6 weeks into Cycle Blood Work

[futureICUdoc]

Hey guys so lab results are back. Estradiol came back higher than I expected considering, I don’t really feel any of the typical sides, no itching nipples, mood stable, libido still active (it’s actually through the damn roof).

Current Cycle is

Test 600mg per week (pin MWF) 16 weeks
NPP 300mg per week (pin MWF) 12 weeks
Dbol 25mg (pre-workout daily) finishing up after this week
Anastrozole 0.5mg (Mon and Thurs) started week 1

Overall workouts have been feeling great, still adding more and more weight to the bar consistently from week to week (10lb additions to Bench, Squat, Deadlift). Slowed down a bit on lower body progressions, because I had a mild lower back injury 2nd week into cycle, but it now seems resolved.

Should I up the dose or the frequency of the Anastrozole (I have a liquid suspension so fairly easy).

 

[Dirtnasty]

I think that eatro level is fine for where your test at. Want it but higher with higher test in system to balance out. 100 is where I would be worried

 

[herrubermensch]

What @Dirtnasty said. Your E2 is fine. Your bloods in general look great for being on cycle.

 

[Kad1]

I disagree with the boys. Estro is 1-1/2 times normal. What’s your BF?
FSh and LH are almost non existence. I’d add in hcg a few times per week to help keep your peanuts full.
Also add in liver support.
Just my 2 cents

 

[TBU]

My gauge of Estrogen levels is “is my sexual activity normal” I am a believer that if you increase your test levels your Estriol will increase. It’s a balance. If you have no problems and everything is operating as advertised, don’t mess with a good thing if your Estriol rises and you start feeling the effects, I would start very low dose AI. For me .25mg of Adex every 3 days will knock it down. (Do blood work after 3 weeks if you take a AI) and gauge from there. Killing your estrogen is just as bad or worse than Deca Dick. Takes the body some time to recover. Blood work. Blood work. Blood work. That’s your gauge. And how you sexual well being is. Those are my two indicators.

 

[SKYBOUND_423]

Good tips here so far. From someone that has had gyno surgery, Im going to meet in the middle with these guys. Its elevated, yes and trying to bring it down a tad may not hurt, but your testosterone is also high, so along with that comes E2. If your not seeing any signs, you may be fine man. Its about what your body is telling you.

Also, your on NPP… so don’t forget to test for progesterone.

 

[NeuroRN]

I’m in the middle as well. I get your sexual wellbeing is good, and nips aren’t itchy… your test is high so e2 will follow… honestly if you’re almost done with dbol I’d keep AI the same, and retest in a few weeks.

You absolutely need a progesterone level checked.

Make sure you are some sort of liver support. HCG never hurts but may cause e2 to stay high.

 

[Kad1]

I agree with the crashing your estrogen part 100% and some estrogen is good . I prefer to keep within normal limits. I am more careful because I got gyno in my mid 20’s that required surgery. Had no beg effects at all until I noticed a lump then boom!

 

[Kad1]

I have had the luck to work with some good HRT docs after my surgery and HcG is always in the protocol during and post. Helps keep nuts from permanently atrophying . I’ve lots 20% over my time in the game but keeping hcg in has made a huge difference. No more shrinkage . Lol

 

[NeuroRN]

Oh I’m very pro HCG. Once I used it, I’ll never go without. I think there’s too many positives. And there’s very minimal evidence supporting your body will need it to produce naturally if you use it too much. I encourage most everyone to use it.

 

[Bigmurph6]

And there’s very minimal evidence supporting your body will need it to produce naturally if you use it too much.

I thought that for sure proven was that taking to much hcg would make it so you become desensitized basically?

If that’s not true I to would use hcg throughout the year but with it being able to desensitize made me not use it for more than 10wks straight.
Im going to have to look into this more

 

[NeuroRN]

I’ll have to find it. The protocol for jumpstarting men’s test production is thousands of mcg daily for a long time period. I remember a good write up here, HCG myth I believe.

 

[Bigmurph6]

That’s during a short blast that’s where the blasting technique before pct begins was put together off of that information.
Im thinking 500iu every wk for as long as I cruise and I know that trt doctors are doing this already but what if you’re not trt?

 

[Dirtnasty]

I’ve wondered about trying hmg at some point onthink ingot the letters right. The one that stimulated fsh and lh

 

[Bigmurph6]

Hmg is very strong and very expensive for the amount needed. I would use hcg unless trying to have kids or completely shutdown trying to be natty again

 

[Dirtnasty]

Yeah I was thinking if I decided to go one more pct after this cycle cause I know once I do ment it’s over HahHa

 

[futureICUdoc]

Thanks for everyone’s input, I really appreciate the advice.

Synthesizing everything, I’ve read so far. It sounds that because I’m not experience typical estrogen sides, it’s safe to assume that the elevated E is in conjunction with the elevated Test. Dbol almost done keep AI the same.

Retest Bloods in a couple of weeks with progesterone.

 

[Kad1]

I use .2mg 2x per week. Basically I pull the the 2 on insulin syringe

 

[Nacville]

At this point it’s only so high because of the abundance of test in your system. Simple solution without adding anything would be to drop your test a little. With that being said I’m assuming you won’t be running dbol that much longer… that too will help you level out.
Also what other health supplements are you taking?

 

[futureICUdoc]

Hey bud so yep finishing up dbol this week.

And as far as other health supplements I just take an opti-men multi vitamin and my own pre-work out.

Pre work out is
300mg caffeine
8mg I Citrulline Malate
5g creatinine mono hydrate
5g beta-alanine