TG1
Staff member
For those that have been around here a long time, know we used to test quite a bit of things. However testing isn’t always going to be accurate and often expensive. To ask a sponsor to test every product is insane. The amount and extra risk taking for testing all the raws would drive the cost way up and they would be undersold by others with a cheaper price and faster product. Everyone expects a 2-3 day turnaround with tracking like it was ordered from Walmart.
Asking them to test would mean they would receive a product. Say pay $500 for 1 product. Wait weeks to receive. Then send it to another country to test the product and spend hundreds more there. Wait weeks for that as well. And then hope the test is correct and it didn’t get fucked up. Then say this times 10-15 product raws. Some will check the more expensive raws from time to time but never have i seen anyone test every batch.
There’s only so many places doing HPLc tests for this and one of the guys well known has also been known to selectively scam. Telling people he tested something and provided documentation of results when he never even received the product. It was returned to sender by customs. Personally I can’t believe anything from this guy as they have 3 people working with them with 2 smart enough and capability of doing it, and one idiot working there. Can they do an accurate test? Absolutely. The kid is incredibly bright (tho he blames me for shit I had nothing to do with) and access to everything. But doesn’t change the fact they lied previously even if it was the idiot that did it.
A good sponsor will check the raws and boiling points of the chemicals and obviously some chemicals you know if they are legit. When I was home brewing I knew if the tren was good or not by the way the raws looked. A friend of mine could tell various chems by site. You get to know things from experience.
So what about the raw sellers? They too can check the product that doesn’t always mean shit. The way the raws are produced the first batches after machine is setup properly are the best and then it will slowly degrade until they set it up again. I’ve heard this many times from raw manufacturers in the past 10-15 years. Some of the bad sellers will just Photoshop shit anyway like others have caught on boards online over time. Again tho, its in their best interest to provide a good steady product with good steady customers.
Roidtests are shit and should be used only for personal satisfaction but if it fails it doesn’t mean its wrong. @Neuro remembers after roidtest being called out here they disappeared and never came back on. Years ago a very well known guy in this sport told me about how great the scam is and why it works. They make tests that are inaccurate so you think the testing agent is good and you buy more tests to prove it again. If everything passed then you would stop buying. So they sell you bogus shit sometimes since it doesnt matter to them (its an argument between you and the source) and then you buy their bogus shit again to test the product more. You go complain online and more people buy the bogus test to check their shit.
That’s where people testing everything themselves and posting is often useless. Some bad sources can try to hurt other sources with fake tests to get their business over. We’ve caught it happening here even. Some people can just mess up a test or if they buy a roidtest its 50/50 if they even got a real test. Some will remember members testing here with roidtest and getting a negative result then they tested with the other brand and got a positive result.
Most sponsors or raws sellers do not want to sell you a shit product. If they’ve been in business for years they wouldn’t keep their business and people would talk. Sometimes they may get a weak or shit batch. Sometimes an error of some guy packing shit makes a mistake. Did they own it and try and to fix it? Cause thats that right thing to do and handle it. Thats a good source by any means. Are they changing their name every 6 months and ignoring people? Thats a scammer. They know they’re selling shit and trying to hide it.
Ive rarely had issues personally. But as I type this I have a lump half the size of my fist in my ass from a sus300 product. Its not the product thats shit. My body just isnt responding to the oils used. Next time I just wont use that particular product.
Steroidify just posted about sharing your bloodwork and getting 45% off. Thats what we need to see and you should be concerned with. Bloodwork. Bloodwork will tell you more about a product and how its working for you then anything. I love seeing bloodwork for sponsors more then anything.
Myself, and the oldtimers around here like @rnmuscle never got testing results from anything in the 90s and early 2000s. For you younger guys, in time you learn your body and if a product is working or not. What are the sides you’re getting. Improvements. What is your bloodwork showing? Thats the key.
The purpose of communities have long been for us to get together to share experiences and help each other along the way. This includes help with cycles, staying safe, bloodwork issues. How sponsors are performing if any issues to be concerned with. This is why we ask new members to stay active. Read but also share. No question is too stupid. We have people from all different experiences that can help.
@Aude_Aliquid_Dignu @staff
Asking them to test would mean they would receive a product. Say pay $500 for 1 product. Wait weeks to receive. Then send it to another country to test the product and spend hundreds more there. Wait weeks for that as well. And then hope the test is correct and it didn’t get fucked up. Then say this times 10-15 product raws. Some will check the more expensive raws from time to time but never have i seen anyone test every batch.
There’s only so many places doing HPLc tests for this and one of the guys well known has also been known to selectively scam. Telling people he tested something and provided documentation of results when he never even received the product. It was returned to sender by customs. Personally I can’t believe anything from this guy as they have 3 people working with them with 2 smart enough and capability of doing it, and one idiot working there. Can they do an accurate test? Absolutely. The kid is incredibly bright (tho he blames me for shit I had nothing to do with) and access to everything. But doesn’t change the fact they lied previously even if it was the idiot that did it.
A good sponsor will check the raws and boiling points of the chemicals and obviously some chemicals you know if they are legit. When I was home brewing I knew if the tren was good or not by the way the raws looked. A friend of mine could tell various chems by site. You get to know things from experience.
So what about the raw sellers? They too can check the product that doesn’t always mean shit. The way the raws are produced the first batches after machine is setup properly are the best and then it will slowly degrade until they set it up again. I’ve heard this many times from raw manufacturers in the past 10-15 years. Some of the bad sellers will just Photoshop shit anyway like others have caught on boards online over time. Again tho, its in their best interest to provide a good steady product with good steady customers.
Roidtests are shit and should be used only for personal satisfaction but if it fails it doesn’t mean its wrong. @Neuro remembers after roidtest being called out here they disappeared and never came back on. Years ago a very well known guy in this sport told me about how great the scam is and why it works. They make tests that are inaccurate so you think the testing agent is good and you buy more tests to prove it again. If everything passed then you would stop buying. So they sell you bogus shit sometimes since it doesnt matter to them (its an argument between you and the source) and then you buy their bogus shit again to test the product more. You go complain online and more people buy the bogus test to check their shit.
That’s where people testing everything themselves and posting is often useless. Some bad sources can try to hurt other sources with fake tests to get their business over. We’ve caught it happening here even. Some people can just mess up a test or if they buy a roidtest its 50/50 if they even got a real test. Some will remember members testing here with roidtest and getting a negative result then they tested with the other brand and got a positive result.
Most sponsors or raws sellers do not want to sell you a shit product. If they’ve been in business for years they wouldn’t keep their business and people would talk. Sometimes they may get a weak or shit batch. Sometimes an error of some guy packing shit makes a mistake. Did they own it and try and to fix it? Cause thats that right thing to do and handle it. Thats a good source by any means. Are they changing their name every 6 months and ignoring people? Thats a scammer. They know they’re selling shit and trying to hide it.
Ive rarely had issues personally. But as I type this I have a lump half the size of my fist in my ass from a sus300 product. Its not the product thats shit. My body just isnt responding to the oils used. Next time I just wont use that particular product.
Steroidify just posted about sharing your bloodwork and getting 45% off. Thats what we need to see and you should be concerned with. Bloodwork. Bloodwork will tell you more about a product and how its working for you then anything. I love seeing bloodwork for sponsors more then anything.
Myself, and the oldtimers around here like @rnmuscle never got testing results from anything in the 90s and early 2000s. For you younger guys, in time you learn your body and if a product is working or not. What are the sides you’re getting. Improvements. What is your bloodwork showing? Thats the key.
The purpose of communities have long been for us to get together to share experiences and help each other along the way. This includes help with cycles, staying safe, bloodwork issues. How sponsors are performing if any issues to be concerned with. This is why we ask new members to stay active. Read but also share. No question is too stupid. We have people from all different experiences that can help.
@Aude_Aliquid_Dignu @staff
I never had an issue with anyone on here except the one time the guy from Jersey who was on here, and ended up busted. Can’t remember the company off hand. I still think he got busted for selling bunk gear and someone turned him in. So there is that. Everyone I’ve deal with has run hot and blood work shows it. Anyways. I got my go to here, and I’ve never been disappointed. 
Well, besides the one time. 
I know when my Gram of test is just getting converted(used too) and i needed to get rid of albumin and SHBG to free up test, blah , blah. If you stay leaner you get to know the body and get a rudimentary knoledge of what stacks do what. Now, i expect test, tren, masteron ( wintrol v in earlier) times to give me a certain look with all the other training , whatever. Anadrol, if i can take 2-3 with suspension and cyp. I will be strong and bloated but feel great. Also, i should get a bloody nose or two. This is back in the day. There was some nolva, but ive even done one drug for 4 weeks , then and another for 4 weeks, then another. I ended up with a good ifea of what affected me in what way. If something was fake or inert well i probably wouldnt know because stacking 3 things with an oral. Its hard to tell when the others are kicking ass. So, great post! I remember having all real polish and russian things with spanish or turkish stuff like primo. I also had a great results when it was brovel, ttyoko, reforvit, sten, etc. 1 sten a day and 20 stenox. You can really see and feel it working. Now as i start this new journey, im seeing the same things starting to come around but theres muscle memory for sure. We eat right , train hard, and then you can tell. If you can’t then something is wrong.
. I wasn’t trying to look like Mr Clean in college 
