Cutting and cutting compounds
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DarthSocrates
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I do not necessarily have liver problems, but I drink. Not like a crazy person, but I enjoy my cocktails. I will keep the var cycles short. I dont like the drop in libido anyway so 4-6 weeks max.
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I have quite a bit of experience with DNP. Its risks are generally very over exaggerated, and usually by people that have no firsthand knowledge of it. Having said that, let me be clear, it IS a dangerous compound if used incorrectly.
The usual beginner dosing protocol is to start at 125-250mg for a few days, and if no rashes or weird sides develop, increase the dosage by one pill every few days. If you start feeling a tingling in your hands or feet, you may be developing PNS so discontinue use immediately. If so, DNP just isn’t for you. Some get it, some don’t. Dosage and length of time on seem to have a correlation to PNS symptoms. I’ve gone up to 750 for awhile. It was absolutely fucking awful. My sweet spot is somewhere between results and sides 250-500 (the right answer should scale to your bodyweight) Results may increase linearly, but sides seem to increase exponentially. Past a point the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
Also keep in mind it has a 36hr half life. This means the dosage accumulated over time. In other words, it takes a few days to build up in your system. Don’t pop a pill and assume it’s not working, and just pop more.
Supplements like Vitamin E and C are highly recommended, as are things like fish oil. Avoiding carbs is preferable unless you want to uncontrollably sweat. Results are very fast. I can eat like a pig and still drop weight faster than when I PSMF, and if your diet is on point 1lb/day is a realistic goal. Also, unlike other diet tools like T3, it’s somewhat anti-catabolic. It prefers to burn fat over muscle. You’d still want to be on some sort of AAS, but if you weren’t it wouldn’t kill you as bad as T3 supplementation.
^ None of this is as important as diet. With a strict PSMF diet I can rock a steady 2.5lb/wk after water/glycogen stores are accounted for. With no substances other than protein powder.
The usual beginner dosing protocol is to start at 125-250mg for a few days, and if no rashes or weird sides develop, increase the dosage by one pill every few days. If you start feeling a tingling in your hands or feet, you may be developing PNS so discontinue use immediately. If so, DNP just isn’t for you. Some get it, some don’t. Dosage and length of time on seem to have a correlation to PNS symptoms. I’ve gone up to 750 for awhile. It was absolutely fucking awful. My sweet spot is somewhere between results and sides 250-500 (the right answer should scale to your bodyweight) Results may increase linearly, but sides seem to increase exponentially. Past a point the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
Also keep in mind it has a 36hr half life. This means the dosage accumulated over time. In other words, it takes a few days to build up in your system. Don’t pop a pill and assume it’s not working, and just pop more.
Supplements like Vitamin E and C are highly recommended, as are things like fish oil. Avoiding carbs is preferable unless you want to uncontrollably sweat. Results are very fast. I can eat like a pig and still drop weight faster than when I PSMF, and if your diet is on point 1lb/day is a realistic goal. Also, unlike other diet tools like T3, it’s somewhat anti-catabolic. It prefers to burn fat over muscle. You’d still want to be on some sort of AAS, but if you weren’t it wouldn’t kill you as bad as T3 supplementation.
^ None of this is as important as diet. With a strict PSMF diet I can rock a steady 2.5lb/wk after water/glycogen stores are accounted for. With no substances other than protein powder.
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effswithtren
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Yeah that’s the thing with DNP. It’s actually fairly hard to overdose, but when it happens there’s not a lot they can do but try to keep you cool with ice and hope you don’t die. Usually this happens from pretty obscene doses though. Like a 100lb girl taking 10X the dose I’d take.
While I use and enjoy DNP, I don’t think it’s for most people, and I wouldn’t advise it’s use. You can get the same results over a longer time span with far more comfort and with a much better overall level of safety.
While I use and enjoy DNP, I don’t think it’s for most people, and I wouldn’t advise it’s use. You can get the same results over a longer time span with far more comfort and with a much better overall level of safety.
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Mind telling me what your approximate age is, Darth? I think we are nearly the same vintage!
Never fucked around with DNP, though I thought about it 20 years ago when I was a bit more serious. I always used clen, and that was miserable enough.
Ever use it on cycle or only off? From time to time, when I’m feeling like a fat fuck, I’m tempted to run clen on cycle.
DarthSocrates
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I am 49.
Got you by a few: I’m 55.
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It’s awesome that we are still in the game. I have had to change a few things, and I can’t really explain why I really enjoy weight training, but when I take breaks I feel like crap mentally.
Agreed! I’ve been able to get back in lately because I’m working primarily from home and have a gym in my building, so I get to work out almost every day. On the few days I can’t, I feel like shit.
DarthSocrates
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Do you get sides from the clen? I use to get jittery as hell on the old ECA stacks. Shit caffeine can still get me that way.
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Yes, at least, above 60mcg/day I do. If I stay below that, I’m generally fine.
DarthSocrates
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After reading up I am a little interested in Clen. I have a couple of questions perhaps someone can answer.
- How much of a BP increase do you get? I take BP meds and I do not want to kill myself.
- I take oral asthma inhalers and I am wondering if this is doubling up or if I should not take them when I take the clen?
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I also noticed that someone was taking Cialis before workout. What is the reasoning behind that?
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