Does estrogen lower with reduction of test?

[Stretch22]

I am starting a cycle next Monday. I’m planning to run test &mast, small chance of Winstrol last 2-4 weeks. My question is this though. I want to find my maximum tolerance for test, while keeping sides and estrogen in check without an AI. Let’s say I titrate up to like 400 test, have sides, get bloods and have high E. Upon lower test back to let’s say 300, would estrogen follow the test and lower? Or would you need an AI briefly to lower it? @NeuroRN Getting this idea of finding max tolerAble dose from Victor black. I’d like to never use an AI again

 

[NeuroRN]

I would like to say estro will follow the test… but I’m not sure of the timeline. With mast involved your upper limit will be higher than without. Keep that in mind.

Ideally, if estro comes back high on whatever level, you could drop test and redraw labs in several weeks.

If you’re having severe estro sides you could take a single dose to drop it.

 

[Jonny]

Yes it would lower on its own. As long as it wasn’t too high for the brief time you should be ok. If you check and it was stupid high you may choose to lower it with an AI but usually you shouldn’t need to.

 

[Jonny]

Keep in mind most issues with AIs are related to chronic use so if you just took a couple tabs it’s not a huge deal.

 

[Stretch22]

That makes sense, forgot mast may minimize some of those sides. Ideally I’d like to draw bloods several times but I doubt I will. In a state where I can’t order them easily. Trying to find a way around that tho my try to hit up a bordering state.

 

[Stretch22]

I guess I’ll play it by ear should that situation arise. Ill have aromasin on hand as last resort. I would think even 6.5 mg single dose mixed with lowering test should drop the estrogen quite a bit

 

[NeuroRN]

Look at some of the at home test kits and see if you can get them in your state. Let’s get checked is one I’ve used before.

6.5 would be plenty for me.

 

[Stretch22]

Wow man thank you. They do ship to me!

 

[NeuroRN]

Nice!

 

[woodwalker1889]

I’ve read that there are some cases where estro doesn’t directly correlate with test levels. Mainly being in pct was the reference I read about. Since the individual got off cycle with both elevated test and e2. His test dropped so fast e2 didn’t follow and actually suppressed his natural test production. He had to take ai to get his pct right. He only found this out do to bloodwork so its important to make sure its done.

 

[woodwalker1889]

Thats who I use. I’ve found for myself that I need 12.5 at least 4x a week to keep good estro levels at 500 mg dose. But I’m unluckily estro sensitive.

(Was suppose to be 4x not 5x)

 

[Poppy]

Interesting conversation. Everyone is so different.

 

[Outlawthing]

I wouldn’t say it follows it your body does whatever it wants as a general rule probably increases with increased test levels but depends on so many things other stuff effects levels too. Also depends on what your body was doing when you had blood drawn but where your levels ride are different than mine. I have seen high test levels low estro. Low test test high estro and vice versa in my bloodwork over the years. Hcg effects mine a good bit I think a lot of folk over think estrogen. I feel great when my test is up a little above normal I have seen low estro and high estro at same time and I feel great either way so. I feel like less AAS and no ai is better than more AAS and ai it’s just negating the extra AAS your using the conversion of test to estro is part of the process

 

[NeuroRN]

I would say add proviron or mast to all cycles. That is so much AI.

 

[NeuroRN]

Or stop running 500mg Bc that’s so much AI.

 

[Stretch22]

Damn that’s crazy. I can’t imagine using that much. I’m excited @NeuroRN suggested that place that will ship blood test. Ive never got bloods on cycle that shown high estro, but I’ve always run pretty modest doses, most being 500mg a week. Ive had a handful of times had incidents where I “feel” my estro is high, take aromasin or arimidex, feel some relief from anxiety but may be placebo, then generally feel like shit for a couple days. Don’t wanna leave bed, back aches joint aches. Going to try to avoid them like the plague lol

 

[Aude_Aliquid_Dignu]

You could do Hone intro kit for $45 and test estradiol, total testosterone, free testosterone, LH, AST, and ALT levels then simple not get the subscription. May save you some cash.

 

[woodwalker1889]

Yeah probably what I need to do. I’ll have it dialed in soon. I’m running 250 now.

 

[NeuroRN]

Any need for an AI at that dose?

 

[Aude_Aliquid_Dignu]

Achy joints are a sure fire way to know for me to know my estradiol is too low after taking an AI.