Exactly, I will be the first one to admit kno’ thyself… Skipping the just say no route. I truly believe that at this point for me only,I can’t speak for anyone else, going off testosterone would be a bad idea. I always believed in cycles, so i have people say what about when you were completely off? There was a period of 3 straight years(no ifs , and or buts,) that I didnt use anything at all. I went to the gym, nothing but a post workout shake. Let me add, there were not really any pre workouts anyway. There were a few, there was ultimate orange, Lee priest had 1 tattoo(that I could see), yada yada…long time ago. The first testosterone total I had done was that of a pre pubescent girl. The first cycle following this period was hemogenin(anadrol) , test cyp, and laurabolin. nothing else. I’m sure it was approx. 600 cyp, 50-100mg Hemos, and usually 9cc of laurabolin @ 50mg /cc was the most I could doin a week. Results great. I believe next was Ttokyo and troy or ilium from austrailia(drive,methandriol diprop, not masteron mind you) competed , won , that lasted a couple years but I guess my point really is I had great results on less stuff, maybe 5% better results on 5 x as much, and then had those times were I think my body was getting more drugs that food during contest diet. And I was a tiny little tiny fish in a tiny little tiny sea, but as I "learned more"and got into a certain circle, I looked worse. I had to be 300 at under 6 foot…well under. I had to compete at a shredded 240-250 even if lee haney and Dorian looked their best at that weight. So ,I missed out on competitions, I was 300 with a tight little 42 inch waist then at week 5 out from a show Oh no!!! 243! Somethings wrong. Drop out. FOr a good many seasons guys I beat for ooverall or class,moved up and some turned pro. I hear this story a lot and I always say thank you God, because now theres really no contracts or money, social media stars get money, which is fine a guess. Stick with me… Everytime I heard someone present a topic with a good presentation like hey so and so was so full and ripped he did this protocol. the limiting factor to HGH is time , you have to take it for 2 years then boom! it works!(LOL) Fuck nolvadex it drops your IGF(whats that, youll find out 2 years from now) and messes up you cholesterol forget the fact that you stacking 10 different drugs(Again LOL). Thank God if some can see what Im saying is be careful and pay attention to the journey. I know it started with Aromatase inhibition but I consider these selective cancer fighting pharmaceuticals to be a bit scary, on the level with insulin. Prami, caber, bromo, L-dopa, and I say that being a bad offender. Knowledge usually is just enough to cause damage. I am still trying to start a log since January. Now April because everytime I feel “back” My dosages go up, drugs change, maybe just a little huma log to shuttle all these nutrients back in after a lower carb day, crazy bodybuilding subculture. Im just telling it like I have seen it. I really like short bursts of 6 weeks and 3 “off” change supps and again 6 /3 then after about two or three I try to stretch it off a bit longer. God bless all of us. I loike the hx of bbing and the drug hx. I think it is artistic and I am a big believer in statying lean or leaner, and watching the muscle come on. I have been trying to do a bit of research on total mg/gram amout weekly or biweekly vs actual substance. This was ann old theory that Ar mediated receptors dont know what drug is being used however most have a certain affinity for the receptor and were it is located. most small dosed drugs like anavar, winstrol rumored to have a high affinity for recpetors. Genetics of course tells you if the receptor is on your prostate or muscle. Many other places. so, what do you think would happen with starting at a 750mg total for the week, 250 anadrol(m,f at 125mg), test prop 300/wk m,w,f 100mg, NPP at 200 wk m,f at 100mg, before you scream blood levels… by the time they are coming down, its Monday again, this week 300 androl(m,w,f at 100) , masteron p 300 @ 100 m,w,f, test prop at 450( 150 m,w,f) maybe ad in Long acting test at 200/wk. so in effect upping mg per week for 6-8 weeks but using somewhat interchangeable drug classes. If you think the body gets "used to a certain compound then it won’t and if you want to keep total blood levels up this will do that, HMMMM.