Harm reduction month in November at ugmuscle EXTENDED into December

[PHD]

I’m sure if he made it where he tested all carrier oils
You or no one else Would not be able to afford it. If you’re that concerned send it to a lab for
Testing.

 

[Stratfordave]

@Cathead… I too can vouch for @SymBiotecLab … his compounds are legitimate as are @GearChurch …I’m sure you are in good hands!

 

[TG1]

I use @SymBiotecLab right now and love it. My bloods and results are perfect.

 

[Cathead]

Whoa whoa everyone! I’m not saying symbiotech’s gear isn’t good. If you would pay attention you would see I’ve said I’ve been in contact with him. I’m taking the masteron prop now. As planned. I posted these pics up to show roidtest has flaws. Look at Paramexer, he’s been black listed when his gear could be the same. No where did I say anything negative about symbiotech gear. I think it’s wrong to use these tests to blacklist people.

 

[TG1]

There’s a process of testing raws, multiple tests being done, etc. No one gets blacklisted off of a single test or report.

 

[PHD]

Most the time it’s crashed gear. I don’t recall anyone being blacklisted from a test.

 

[Bigmurph6]

This reply is going to happen tomorrow. I need to talk to multiple people before I can comment on the situation I need to gather some facts.

 

[N8GainTrain]

Well, this just got interesting…

 

[Cathead]

I agree that there definitely needs to be some clarity to the situation.

 

[John]

I laughed @N8GainTrain

 

[N8GainTrain]

@John I can see the humor in my comment but forgive me for not laughing too hard. I basically lost my sponsor by looking out for the community and by relying on “roidtest” which now seems isn’t even accurate based off carrier oils.

I would like to know why none of this was even mentioned when Paramexer’s gear was in question.

 

[John]

Good point, and you know I’m behind you… and yeah it kinda sounds fucked up

 

[Bigmurph6]

Straight up this is going to be the short answer as ive said before roidtest is accurate and when someone says that they aren’t I would be worried.

When roidtests are done to be showed to me in pictures there done with raw materials and when you do the tests with raw material whats the excuse then when a compound doesn’t test correctly??
There’s no carrier oil in raw material and also none in orals.

This carrier oil throwing off tests does happen but its more of an issue with the shade of the color not a completely different end of the spectrum.

Another issue is user error the people testing even admit most of the time they don’t know how to do the test. This worries me because the tests have to be done a certain way. People use 1 amp when 2 are needed. The orals if a tab especially have to be crushed into a fine powder and caps need to be emptied and mixed or you might just test filler.

I have tested everything ive put in my body going back about 4 yrs now and I have tested the products from both sponsors above mine came out positive.

I will write more about this today in depth.

Thanks
Banned

 

[TG1]

As I stated above. Theres a process before anyone is put to red on here. @Bigmurph goes thru this on the back end. I know @SymBiotecLab tests his raws before making batches. I use symbio products and even tho I don’t ask for them he still sends me test pics of his raw batches cause I’m anal as fuck about what I use.

Other sponsors have also tested straight raws if there are issues. Now about paramexer, what happened in his issue wasn’t intentional against any member. The last time there was a quality issue, paramexer was on top of it and handled it fast. No issues. He wanted to get the issue resolved. There are more parts to this then just a sponsor in making products. Sometimes sponsors get fucked also by their suppliers. Its happened to a few people here.

As a forum we have to look at the safety of the members first.

 

[Cathead]

The average member doesn’t see the raw tests though, correct? How do members know anything other than the finished product tests, that may or may not be correct? Just asking here.

 

[TG1]

They don’t usually. Some sponsors post tests from time to time. I see that every so often. But thats not to say you can’t request them if your an established client with someone. I seriously doubt most people would have an issue with it. If a sponsor isn’t testing raws then problems can arise faster for them. An advanced test before cooking a batch is always best practice.

Consider this. If you home brewed would you wait to test the final product or would you just test the raws straight away? Quick raw test let’s you know that its legit before wasting time. Now a sponsor with clients should always want to know what they got and giving people is legit.

 

[n3rd]

I think this thread generated a good conversation…
Like @Cathead I would have tested a product and wouldn’t know what to do with the results he generated.
It was a good learning lesson, especially as one starts to test their product with roidtest…
But shoutout to @TG @Bigmurph @PHD @SymBiotecLab @ROIDTEST for staying on top of this…
Great information!

Side note; I use SBL… I am a huge fan and will continue to use their product… The proof is in the pudding, just my last shred for the contest proved that for me…

 

[Stratfordave]

I fully agree with the comments above. Having been part of multiple forms over the years, it’s of my opinion the people here are by far the most conscientious and committed to protecting everyone’s health and well-being. It would be an interesting practice to have the sponsors here post results of the raw testing on some type of regular basis (2-3 times per year, on certain compounds randomly requested by the forum mods). Just food for thought. It’s my belief that the folks, at least in this forum, would be willing to assume some of those cost in paying for quality products. Peace of mind in this lifestyle is worth it!

 

[N8GainTrain]

I agree 100% @Stratfordave

 

[Borris01]

I am wondering the same thing @N8GainTrain