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Question: I’m going to be on at least TRT dose of test forever. Do I still need to run a pct after a tren cycle?

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So I’m running 250 Deca, 300 test, and 350 tren per week. The deca is just there for joint support. I’m going to finish with tren/mast/test p mix, and then switch to primo. When I go back to just test after the cycle, do I need to run a pct?

Side question: is it safe to stay on deca, at a low dose indefinitely?
 
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Please provide more info, I say that cause someone smarter then me on here is gonna ask for more details…
 
I would assume no. TRT is supposed to mimic the level of testosterone you would be trying to recover to with PCT. I don’t see why you would need it.
 
To put it simply, no you don’t need to PCT.

As for the Deca, I don’t recommend being on anything except test for “indefinitely.” Reason being is that every compound has it’s side effects and even at low doses they will be seen on blood and lipid panels adversely effecting your health. Your body needs time to heal and recover from the use of AAS even if it is low doses.
 
That’s what I figured the answer would be. Thank you.

How long do people typically run primo? And what dose?

I’m also taking caber at .25mg twice a week for the tren/deca. Would it be ok to stop taking that right at the end of the tren/deca cycle?
 
Honestly you probably don’t need the caber. Unless you just like to take it lol.

As for the Primo, that’s a good debate people like to have lol. I’ve seen it run as low as 300mg for 10 weeks or 1000mg for 24 weeks by different people. As for a “normal” dose and timeline I would say 400mg to 600mg for 16 to 20 weeks is a good run. Most will say the longer the better but I really feel like anything else, there comes a point where the body is just “used to it” and the return isn’t that great.
 
You’re welcome. What possessed you to use deca and Tren at the same time lol. That was a bold move. I’ve rarely seen that end well and most guys have to drop one or the other pretty early on.
 
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I’ve had no issues, I read a lot at the start about some prolactin gyno issues, which is why I’m on the caber, and a lot of people recommended against it. But I also read that it was mainly professional body builders (which I am not) who were using the combo and swear by it. I love what each one does, and together they’ve been great. Outside of the few weeks that I got cocky and thought I could handle more tren daily. That was a bad idea. 50mg a day has given me great results and mostly I still feel like myself. My fiancé disagrees sometimes lol, but it was just research that led me to try the combo. I will always start low with whatever I’m going to do, and now I know my tren limit.
 
Should I drop the deca at the end of the tren/mast portion of the cycle too, when I switch to primo? I’m sure the answer is yes…
 
Little input from a bodybuilder. I’ve never seen deca and tren run together. @Ironside nailed pretty much everything I was thinking as reading your post and comments. Finally someone that gets it lol.

I’d drop the caber and use aromasin about 12.5mg eod caber is really strong and should really only run it in certain situations. Your cycle is very mild.
 
Thanks @PHD, I’ve gotten all of my info on this from various online sources, and there is a ton of conflicting information. I wish I remembered where so I could cite who and where the info comes from but I can’t. I do want to say that I really appreciate everybody’s input on all of my posts. @Ironside has been most active on all of them and I really respect everything that I hear from you guys, and I trust that you all are coming from a position of health safety first. I am doing this (outside of the test) on my own. I had a “coach” who was selling me the Iron Junkies Labs junk, at an incredible markup. After finding information on here about that source, and also finding sources that are priced correctly, I haven’t spoken with him anymore. That being said, I really appreciate absolutely all of the input that I’ve gotten on these boards. Thank you.

Question for @PHD, or anybody for that matter: Are there specific negative reasons not to use deca with Tren?

For one trying to bulk up, besides diet, what would be best ran with Deca (if anything but test), that is not an oral?
 
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I do also take anastrazole, .5mg twice weekly. Is that what you were recommending the aromasin for, or is it for prolactin?
 
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Stacks of compounds should be specifically designed with your goals in mind and utilized for their intended purposes. Typically as well as my opinion, stacks should be designed with the use of test, a 19nor and finally a DHT or DHT derivative. Which right away you can see it does not include (2) 19nor compounds.

Tren has amazing capabilities in nutrient partitioning to pack on lean muscle, strength and has thermogenic effects that will aide in burning fat and keeping you lean as you grow. Tren also does not aromatise and will not convert to DHT.

Deca (not necessarily NPP) is used to put on mass and therefore will almost always cause a significant amount of water weight, there is very minimal strength gains and the muscle put on is usually very slow and minimal in comparison to Tren especially with the long decanoate ester. Also, Deca does aromatise but at about 20% the rate of Testosterone. Deca will not convert to DHT either.

Now that you’ve got that info, both compounds have the potential and will, to a degree, raise progestin levels in the body. They both can come with some androgenic sides of their own as well. This in particular is why you would not want to stack these 2 compounds. You’re sort of playing with fire and exasperating the potential of the sides from both by stacking them together. Not to mention negating their particular uses.
 
why are you running all those compounds and why are you switching to primo ?
what is the purpose of this cycle ?
what is your proposed low dose deca ?
What is the purpose of pct? (you’re on trt? right?)
 
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