Diabetes and AAS Questions

[Poppy]

For those that follow my critically acclaimed log…”jurassic training”… know that I’m struggling with type 2 diabetes and have made great progress lowering my a1c in the past 7 months or so… from a 10.6 to 6.3.

I track my carbs very closely. I can’t go to bed with less than 100 grams, I will wake up hypoglycemic and binge in the middle of the night. Not pleasant and very dangerous. I make every effort to keep them below 150g a day. Most of the time I’m successful. Dropping my a1c is proof positive.

I started 25mg (a day) of proviron on June 3rd and 300mg primobolon on June 10th. I have since run out of primo (8 weeks worth). I’m continuing on the proviron.

The added compounds are the only thing that changed in my world.

I’ve had numerous episodes as of late where I’m hypoglycemic at bedtime or shortly after laying down. I’m not sure why my blood sugar is dropping out. I’ve just surfed around looking for blood sugar and primo/prov and any connections. I couldn’t find anything definitive.

Best case scenario is my body has changed and I’m “less of a diabetic” than I was. Highly unlikely but something has changed. I have blood labs and doc apt in about 4 weeks so we shall see.

Has anyone ever run across anything of this nature in your readings?

 

[Bigmurph6]

I’ve had numerous episodes as of late where I’m hypoglycemic at bedtime or shortly after laying down. I’m not sure why my blood sugar is dropping out. I’ve just surfed around looking for blood sugar and primo/prov and any connections. I couldn’t find anything definitive.

Its the Primobolan it did it to me multiple times when I ran it that’s how I became a tart addict lol
I would always be struggling to get to the kitchen and grab a tart at night always why I have no idea but I experienced the same issues

 

[Poppy]

The article i just read was vague but it led to primo being the culprit.

Interesting. Beings I’m off for a bit we’ll see if it subsides.

I laid down last night for about 10 minutes and it came over me bad. I got up shaking and at a giant bowl of raisin bran crunch and Cheerios.

 

[Poppy]

Thank you for posting. That helps solve the mystery.

 

[Bigmurph6]

Its crazy I have no idea why but yeah same exact thing I would wake up really disoriented and I knew I needed sugar and im not diabetic I just knew that my body needed food and tarts was it I had to have sugar the craving was amazing I would have ran someone over to get to the tarts

 

[Poppy]

If i can find the article I’ll post that section.

 

[Bigmurph6]

I would be very interested in why methenolone enanthate does this

 

[Poppy]

I can’t find that one. I knew I should have bookmarked it. I’m going to do some more reading though.

 

[Bigmurph6]

Its cool I have never found out why I just assumed that it raised my igf1 so much that I needed carbs asap to catch up

 

[Poppy]

@Bigmurph I found this

Methenolone (also known as primobolan) was described in 1960. Squibb Company began producing injectable drug in 1962. Methenolone originally was prescribed in case of muscle loss after operations, infections, long-term illnesses, aggressive therapy with corticoids or malnutrition, and in some cases it was used to treat osteoporosis and breast cancer. Methenolone was commonly used to promote weight gain in infants, weighing less than normal, without any side effects. Methenolone is an anabolic steroid, modification of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) with weak androgenic activity and a moderate anabolic effect. A notable trait of methenolone is that it can firmly bind to androgen receptors, stronger than testosterone. Adult doses for the treatment of aplastic anemia are usually in a range of 1–3 mg/kg per day. Adverse side effects include fluid and electrolyte retention, hypercalcaemia, increased bone growth and skeletal weight. In men, additional side priapism, azoospermia, hirsutism, male pattern baldness, acne andoedema. In women, side effects include virilization, amenorrhoea, menstrual irregularities, suppressed lactation, and increased libido. In children, side effects may include virilization symptoms. Metenolone may enhance effects of antidiabetics, ciclosporin, levothyroxine, warfarin. Resistance to the effects of neuromuscular blockers may occur, and metenolone also has the potential to interfere with glucose tolerance and thyroidfunction tests. Metenolone enanthate (methenolone enanthate) is an ester derivative of methenolone sold commonly under the brand names Primobolan (tablet form) orPrimobolan Depot (injectable). When it interacts with the aromatase enzyme it does not form any estrogens. It is used by people who are very susceptible to estrogenic side effects, having lowerestrogenic properties than nandrolone. This trait makes primobolan to be a good fat burner. Primobolan does not convert into estradiol. As an anabolic steroid, the use of metenolone is banned from use in sports governed by the World Anti-Doping Agency. Belarusian shot putter Nadzeya Ostapchuk was stripped of her gold medal after testing positive for metenolone at the London 2012 Olympic Games. She has been excluded from future IOC events. The NBA and NBPA also banned the use of methenolone under the Anti-Drug Program. In February 2013, Hedo Türkoğlu of the Orlando Magic was suspended for 20 games without qay by the league after testing positive for methenolone. In December 2013, Natalia Volgina was stripped of her 2013 Old Mutual Two Oceans Marathon title and received a two-year competition ban, subsequent to a final guilty verdict for using the steroid Metenolone.

 

[Stretch22]

Testosterone definitely helps with insulin sensitivity

 

[Bigmurph6]

Adverse side effects include fluid and electrolyte retention, hypercalcaemia, increased bone growth and skeletal weight. In men, additional side priapism, azoospermia, hirsutism, male pattern baldness, acne andoedema.

All true

 

[Bigmurph6]

I was so dehydrated
I was dying for sugar
I lost hair
Had horrible acne

Primo isn’t perfect but its amazing

 

[Bigmurph6]

Im definitely using primo in my next cycle just reading that I want to run it so badly

 

[JLee]

It’s too early to say for me but if things progress well this cycle then I’m going to use primo in the next. :crossed_fingers:

 

[Poppy]

Metenolone may enhance effects of antidiabetics, ciclosporin, levothyroxine, warfarin. Resistance to the effects of neuromuscular blockers may occur, and metenolone also has the potential to interfere with glucose tolerance

This is interesting

 

[Dmomuchole]

Man changing the diet has profound positive health effects. I’m going on three weeks with no inflammation! Woohoo

I got the shakes and dizzy at night when I’m on cycle and have got to eat something sweet to raise my blood sugar.

I admire your discipline.

 

[Bigmurph6]

No inflammation good brother really good

 

[Dmomuchole]

Yeah amen, cut out sugar energy drinks and anything with artificial ingredients. It’s a blessing and you guys definitely inspired me to do something different and so far it’s working!

 

[Bigmurph6]

That’s great really I know how shitty stomach issues are im glad that you’re doing better makes me happy to hear