Long time lurker hoping for second opinions on lab results
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NO. It is a completely uninformed response. One 200mg test injection once a month will have your test and estrogen levels see-sawing like crazy. Stupid. Utterly inane. Go to a endo that specializes in men’s health or a TRT clinic. Tell them you want to use non-test methods (such as Clomid or HCG) to try to restore your natural testosterone production.mrtestresults said:
To elaborate: The more frequent your injections (obviously at much lower doses than 200mg), the steadier your hormone levels, the less fluctuation, and hence, the less proclivity of the body to respond to an injection by ramping up your estrogen production, which then binds your test and reduces your free test.
But that’s if you were to start TRT, and I think you have a long way to go analytically before you draw the conclusion that that is the right path for you. If you spend a year trying every non-test technique for restoring your natural testosterone production to at least 500-600 ng/dl, then and only then would I recommend even considering TRT at your age.
Some docs (Dr. Crisler, may he RIP) will use a combination of admittedly testosterone suppressive compounds, such as HCG, combined with low dose test, then wean you off those over time, as a technique for restoring natural test production. Analytically, that doesn’t make a lot of sense, but it is a technique, and it worked for me.
But that’s if you were to start TRT, and I think you have a long way to go analytically before you draw the conclusion that that is the right path for you. If you spend a year trying every non-test technique for restoring your natural testosterone production to at least 500-600 ng/dl, then and only then would I recommend even considering TRT at your age.
Some docs (Dr. Crisler, may he RIP) will use a combination of admittedly testosterone suppressive compounds, such as HCG, combined with low dose test, then wean you off those over time, as a technique for restoring natural test production. Analytically, that doesn’t make a lot of sense, but it is a technique, and it worked for me.
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As stated above…. Please keep us posted. Every single one of us shares your frustration.
As stated above…. Please keep us posted. Every single one of us shares your frustration.
Rusty
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Welcome brother. One thing I heard about was that they adjust the “avg test levels” based on the previous years test levels. So it been in steady decline since the late 80s. In 1980 the avg test levels were double what they are now. Too much garbage food, too many hormones in meat, beef ranchers inject trenbolone in their cattle, which kills natural test production. And people just are not active anymore. With the advancements in electronics our general population has become very inactive. Which is why I believe kids are becomes so confused about gender issues. Their hormones are all out of balance.
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Aude_Aliquid_Dignu
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You are lucky to have the advice you have been given so far.
Sift thru it, research, ask questions, and keep this thread updated.
Sift thru it, research, ask questions, and keep this thread updated.
@mrtestresults
A big question docs fail to ask is “how do YOU feel”?
How do you feel? Energy? Training? Libido? Emotions?
A big question docs fail to ask is “how do YOU feel”?
How do you feel? Energy? Training? Libido? Emotions?
Just as a reference but when I was 25 years old (12 years ago now) my Testosterone was 956 ng/dl as a natural with no previous use of AAS.
At 147 ng/dl your overall quality of life, performance and health is definitely suffering.
750+ is the target range endocrinologists (that I’ve personally spoken with) aim for with TRT, at that range I would imagine that you would feel much better physically, mentally and cognitively.
It’s disturbing that your doctor didn’t initially write a referral for an endocrinologist.
At 147 ng/dl your overall quality of life, performance and health is definitely suffering.
750+ is the target range endocrinologists (that I’ve personally spoken with) aim for with TRT, at that range I would imagine that you would feel much better physically, mentally and cognitively.
It’s disturbing that your doctor didn’t initially write a referral for an endocrinologist.
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mrtestresults
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Finally got in with a new doctor. They want to get more blood work and confirm that my test stays this low and that the last blood work wasn’t just a bad day. If my test come back very low again they’ll send me to a urologist and have them put together a treatment plan.
This new doctor also strongly agreed that my last doctor wasn’t going about this the right way.
This new doctor also strongly agreed that my last doctor wasn’t going about this the right way.
Aude_Aliquid_Dignu
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Let us know what the recommended treatment plan is…I am very curious as to what they suggest with your levels, and age.
Do you have symptoms of low test??
Do you have symptoms of low test??
Aude_Aliquid_Dignu
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That’s weird…most Fox I meet are pretty clever
mrtestresults
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New test results for those following along
Test: 170 ng/dL
FSH: 4.68 mIu/mL
LH: 5.22 mIU/mL
I don’t know much about fsh or lh. I’ll start doing research on that.
Test: 170 ng/dL
FSH: 4.68 mIu/mL
LH: 5.22 mIU/mL
I don’t know much about fsh or lh. I’ll start doing research on that.
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