anabolic_geek
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So, are you claiming some sort of primacy on what constitutes “American” culture? Who decides what “American” culture even is? Can you describe it?
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Movie Review…Woke Critics
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anabolic_geek
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I guess I would be on board with this if “biological sex” (as some term in) were a binary, but it isn’t. For example, there was a big dust up last year in the run up to the olympics over a female athlete whom authorities deemed had too much natural testosterone in her system to be deemed fit to compete as a woman… but at the same time we’re definitely talking about this person competing at a level of sports where genetics is often rewarded.
So where then do we draw the line? at a certain level of hormones? a certain bone structure? hip size? All of these are variable as well. There exist people who have both sets of genitalia. Because clearly genitalia isn’t enough.
I guess what I’m saying here is, from a purely biological point of view, sexuality exists on a spectrum, not a binary. It’s not necessarily one or the other. It only exists our heads that way because society-at-large has done its level best to make sure these people are invisible. And given the state of said “society”, that’s probably best for these folks to remain invisible, given even the opinions expressed here seem to indicate a level of distain for people who identify outside the “mainstream”.
So where then do we draw the line? at a certain level of hormones? a certain bone structure? hip size? All of these are variable as well. There exist people who have both sets of genitalia. Because clearly genitalia isn’t enough.
I guess what I’m saying here is, from a purely biological point of view, sexuality exists on a spectrum, not a binary. It’s not necessarily one or the other. It only exists our heads that way because society-at-large has done its level best to make sure these people are invisible. And given the state of said “society”, that’s probably best for these folks to remain invisible, given even the opinions expressed here seem to indicate a level of distain for people who identify outside the “mainstream”.
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Rusty
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Nice spin. Honestly and constitutionally we have many rights as long as they don’t infringe on anyone else’s rights. So I look at it all like this. I do me. You do you. If you don’t like me then shut the f up and keep it to yourself. I don’t have to think like you and you don’t have to think like me. That’s the great thing about freedom!!! In all things where is the love?
TG1
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In discussing sports it’s absolutely biological. Men compete with biological men, women compete with biological women. If anyone wants to compete that doesn’t claim to either then give them their own class they can compete against others who claim the same.
Biological men should not be trying to compete with biological women in sports. Men are going to be stronger and better athletes most the time. It creates an unfair advantage and diminishes the accomplishments of biological women.
Biological men should not be trying to compete with biological women in sports. Men are going to be stronger and better athletes most the time. It creates an unfair advantage and diminishes the accomplishments of biological women.
TG1
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Yeah like I said…
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.
No one really knows who said this.
“Y’all think I’m an asshole but will come running to me when the shit house goes up in flames”
Poppy
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.
No one really knows who said this.
“Y’all think I’m an asshole but will come running to me when the shit house goes up in flames”
Poppy
anabolic_geek
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Trans people aren’t even in this equation yet. Slow your roll bro! I’m not even going there.TG said:
I’m talking about a woman who was deemed unfit to compete as a woman because she had too much testosterone in her system for the Olympic committee to tolerate.
to reiterate: A person that any reasonable person would consider to be a “biological woman” was denied the ability to compete because a T test came back too high.
So, I ask again: biologically, where are we making the distinction?
anabolic_geek
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To be entirely fair, if you want to lump all “critics” in with Slate, that’s pretty arbitrary. This is just one publication. Where are the rest of the critics decrying the series using woke language?
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TG1
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Ok I read incorrectly then. So I’m really curious the natural level of testosterone she had if not chemically enhanced. This should be pretty visible in her physical appearance if she was indeed natural.
There are a number of female athletes with abnormal levels of testosterone and by looking at them it’s pretty obvious.
But the line should always be drawn on biological structure in competition. Women can’t compete with men on this.
There are a number of female athletes with abnormal levels of testosterone and by looking at them it’s pretty obvious.
But the line should always be drawn on biological structure in competition. Women can’t compete with men on this.
anabolic_geek
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. genetics are a bitch unless you’re blessed with them.
TG1
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This is interesting and I have a lot of questions before I give my thoughts on this. It’s an “other” category for me for now.
Was she born with male genitalia and the doctors cut it off from birth? Does she still have both? What levels of testosterone does she produce? Abnormal high for female or average male or below average male? She has photo of herself with a pregnant woman an child? That hers or what’s going on?
I can see different views on this but doesn’t look like an easy answer without knowing more.
Was she born with male genitalia and the doctors cut it off from birth? Does she still have both? What levels of testosterone does she produce? Abnormal high for female or average male or below average male? She has photo of herself with a pregnant woman an child? That hers or what’s going on?
I can see different views on this but doesn’t look like an easy answer without knowing more.
anabolic_geek
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And see that’s my entire point. Where do we draw the line? The hard answer that people really don’t want to admit is: You can’t. Because sex exists on a spectrum, not a binary.
TG1
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Yes but you’re talking a competitive sport that’s meant to test the best of each. But being it’s a small percentage with the disorder it’s not fair to push them one way or the other without knowing more.
For example if her natural testosterone levels with her XY chromosome is average male level then she shouldn’t compete with females with a lower level and XX chromosome.
I still think as the population increases they need a third category. As population increases more and more cases will occur.
For example if her natural testosterone levels with her XY chromosome is average male level then she shouldn’t compete with females with a lower level and XX chromosome.
I still think as the population increases they need a third category. As population increases more and more cases will occur.
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For starters it’s freedom of speech. Woke cancel culture is trying to eliminate anyone that doesn’t agree with there agenda.
Second it’s fairness in competitive sports where men can’t pretend to be women.
Third it’s learning to love your self rather than pretending your something you’re not
Second it’s fairness in competitive sports where men can’t pretend to be women.
Third it’s learning to love your self rather than pretending your something you’re not
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