Tren just has the ability to make dangerous men do things that they may not do had they not been on it. I mean let’s be real obviously we’re playing with fire. I came to this forum when I started powerlifting a year ago. Prior to that I was a fighter. I was on a pro MMA team. I fought in the cage for years, Muay Thai, MMA and competed in high end BJJ tournaments. When I was on tren I lost my shit and beat somebody up BAD. And could have lost my entire family because of it. I already have a bad record so the assault charge I would have caught would not have been first offense. On top of how bad the breaks in the face were. He never pressed charges but had he done it, I would have lost everything.