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[TG1]

For one you’ve never served yet you think being a President should have the requirement of service. You would usually expect this type of comment from those that did serve. In fact I used to feel this way but not any longer. There’s a bigger picture.

You seem to think you’re an expert on military and foreign wars yet you’ve never even experienced one. You only know what you read from the news or a book which sometimes is propaganda or one sided.

Some of what you said is correct but not all of it. You won’t know what the budget cuts Obama did cost the military because you’ve never been a part of it. You assume your correct based on news articles.

 

[Youts]

I feel we have used our military as world police for too long. I’m no expert, but have you ever looked at the history of civilization from the Asyrians to today?

These are all my opinions, I could be wrong, or right, or somewhere in-between.

My studies aren’t from news articles, I like to read books by several different scholars in their respective field. Some military, some not. The news isn’t going to give you a broader understanding of any issues.

“He was a war hero because he was captured,” Trump said at the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa.

“I like people who weren’t captured,” the current Republican front-runner told political consultant Frank Luntz, who hosted the event.

“He lost and let us down,” Trump said. “I’ve never liked him as much after that.”

“I don’t like losers,” the real-estate mogul, who has gone through corporate bankruptcy four times, added.

There’s a news article, and a quote. If he only likes winners, why the hard-on for the Confederacy?

I never bashed anyone for being captured, nor for supposedly “letting us down”. Everyone takes Trump’s word, but he didn’t serve, but I guess he can claim to be an expert.

 

[Youts]

So I guess in Trump’s eyes, anyone who is captured in combat is a “loser”.

I wasn’t always a fan of McCains policies, but I don’t feel those words should be spoken by a leader of any nation.

 

[TG1]

Again there you go. Not understanding of context and what the issue between him and John McCain was. You don’t understand anything of John McCain or how many in the military viewed him.

There’s no hard on for the Confederacy. But you don’t try to erase history.

And I’ve studied everything about history and current. Part of my job requires knowing that.

What countries have you lived in? Actually lived in not just visited a couple days?

 

[Youts]

Ok, let’s go to history, we aren’t erasing it, simply not celebrating a part of history that wasn’t very kind to certain people.

It’s honestly no different then erecting a statue of Hitler. It’s history, right?

Ya they had a feud, but that doesn’t make the words less potent, just because he didn’t like McCain it was ok to say it?

 

[TBU]

I’ll have to say this about WMDs funny how right before the inspections they monitored trucks going from Iraq to Syria. Never stopped them. UN inspectors were like we will only inspect the places marked. They gave Saddam the places for inspections. During the first push They found barrels with nerve agent, and places like Talil bombs/shells that were made to release nerve agents. I got a few photos I can dig up. Anyways all the CHEMICAL agents detectors were going off all the time. People were getting sick and now years later we have vets with a list of problems they are blaming burn pits, yet most of the symptoms they are having are chemical like agent exposure. So were there WMDs there? You damn right. Funny years later in the Syrian civil war they were shelling and bombing people with VX and VN nerve agents. A country not to be on the list of having/using chemical agents… anyways. It was there. And no news agency will tell me different. Anyone in country from 03-04 will tell you what I’m telling you. Alarms sound. Don mop gear. It would stay on for hours. They would realize mission was more important and turn it off telling us it was a false alarm. I could see it every once in a while but it went off a lot.

 

[Youts]

I’m curious, do you believe the Iraqi people are better off now?

Like I said I never served, I wasn’t there, what was the feeling on the ground from people you may have interacted with? I know the news has a certain agenda, so I would be curious on how the Iraqi people viewed it.

I’m also curious on Trump’s supporters, why follow blindly? You can still vote for someone, and support them, and still call them out on their bullshit, but it seems like supporters on both sides continue to make excuses for their parties failings.

I’ll admit, I think some of what he has done is good, his trade stance on China was a long time coming, but I also think he’s a bit soft on Russia, and I think is a pushover when it comes to Putin.

Also I want to make sure, I don’t think it’s a failing of our military, I think it’s a failing on our politicians who don’t listen to the military leaders on what needs to be done, and has hamstrung our military from Vietnam on.

 

[TBU]

The whole confederate statue thing? Sure take them down. THE PEOPLE of that state/county/city do it. Not a bunch of blue hairs and suburbanites. They were tearing down statues of everything. Some good people as well. But put them in a museum. Not destroy them cuz you don’t like that part of the country. I love the Hitler example all the time. General Robert E. Lee was a masterful tactician and general. He did not kill millions of innocent people. Military speaking the North was doomed to lose the war. If it was for the industrial strength of the North, the outcome would have been way different. So let compare apples and apples. Those Generals did not enslave a nation and systematically kill millions. Anyways I digress. But take them down? Yes. Not by people that have no clue. In the military today. They study the tactics and warfare used by the south. Gorilla tactics? Couple others that the south taught the boys in blue a few lessons… Northern generals were drunks cared little for their troops and assaulted positions they knew they would lose. But figured the north had more people. A war of attrition. OK. I’m done.

 

[Youts]

Robert E Lee also said monuments should not have been erected in regards to the Confederacy.

I agree they should be in a museum, not just torn down and vandalized. I would argue, the primary reason for the confederacy’s succession from the union was slavery driven, which did kill an awful lot of people, and made them live in substandard conditions. So since the man at the head wasn’t personally responsible for every death, Hitler didn’t pull the trigger on everyone killed as well.

 

[TG1]

See one of your problems is you assume you’re correct on an issue “his failings” when in fact you don’t understand many of them. But because you call it a failing then you must be right in your eyes.

Some Dems and some Republicans will always vote their party regardless. That’s just how it is. However. The Democrat party started the KKK is responsible for Jim Crow laws. They were the Confederates. Look at the history of Arkansas before the civil rights act and after. Look at the votes. Look at Robert Byrd. Before and after.

On Russia, again you know nothing about that. You only see what the news says. Russia, Ukraine, China. There’s more that goes you will never know. You’ll never have a clearance to know the Intel.

 

[Youts]

Well give the American people the intel, help us understand.

Yes I know democrats were the party of slavery.

I’m not in favor of them either.

 

[TBU]

Yes. Even tho you may hear the news report “unstable government” Sadsam was a brutal dictator. An attempt on his sons life was made in Baghdad. They captured one of the Assassins. Tortured him found out where he lived. Killed everyone in the city. Naysiriah was once a huge produce and farm industry for the region. They spoke out against him, he built dams and diverted water flow away from the region. It’s a giant dust bowl. Lost more cases. Almost all the Iraqis I spoke to thanked us for getting rid of them but wanted us to leave. They thought we were occupiers. Not liberators. I always said kill him. Then get the fuck out. Only thing is we rolled over them so fast, we (USA) didn’t know how to fix it. The war was supposed to take 2 years minimum. Not 4 months… but yes. That fucker needed to go.

 

[Youts]

I agree he was fucking horrible, and needed to go, I think it would have turned out different if we went all the way in, in the Gulf War.

 

[TBU]

Lots have tried. There’s tons on YouTube other media sites. But the media debunks it as “crazy” or conspiracy nut jobs. I tell people what I saw. They can take it and run with it or classify me a nut job. I was there for one reason. To help keep my Marines alive if possible and to bring as many home as I could. Could give 2 shits about the politics of it. I went there because my brothers were there. Hell I did it as a civilian.

 

[TBU]

He orchestrated the “final solution” and approved its implementation in Nazi Germany. Lee on the other hand was a general not a politician.

 

[Youts]

That’s a good point, I’d still drive the General Lee from the Dukes of Hazzard, man I loved that car!

 

[BigSwole69]

There is only one vintage car this man wants!!!

 

[Youts]

I’ve seen that guy in person! It is as epic as you’d think!

 

[BigSwole69]

I laugh but I would love to see that and get a few franks and coke and just hang out.

 

[Youts]

It would actually be a pretty sweet gig to drive that around the country, cooking hotdogs and meeting people.

Haha a candidate for President, touring the country, cooking hotdogs and shooting the shit with folks, now that’s a candidate I could get behind.