Progression of cycling over time should I add more compounds?

Bigmurph6

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So alot of people who are starting off using AAS honestly know nothing about it but that if I take AAS I will get big.
This isn’t even always true??
So when starting off the first reccomended cycle

Testosterone 500mg a week
An AI if needed but on hand
Pct nolvadex/clomiphene

The cookie cutter version but the only thing with the first cycle that can be changed is dosage of testosterone and not higher.

After the first cycle now if the user has followed the normal process they usually want to add a compound or a couple of compounds.

I just want to ask why?
If you run the cookie cutter testosterone cycle and had a good training program and the correct diet which is everything in your cycle. You should have made excellent gains. If you didn’t it isn’t time to add more compounds. It’s time to analyze the first cycle.

Did you have estrogen issues? Did you tolerate the dosage? Did the carrier and solvents give you pip possibly you didn’t like the ester testosterone used? So many more questions but none are really what will be the next compound I add to my next cycle.

So once all questions are answered and you have a complete understanding about the compounds and what they do and how to set up your diet and training. Run another testosterone cycle based on this analyzation.
This second run on testosterone should be absolutely amazing because now you have the full understanding of how it effects you and what needs to be done to get the most out of this cycle. Plus just testosterone cycles are easier to PCT back from once you start adding other compounds things can get very complicated very quickly. Many people get introuble and it becomes to late to help especially if blood work isn’t being done pre mid post.

Once you have the understanding about all the compounds and you come off your second cycle then start a deep research into the compounds that if you want to add something then you will be somewhat ready and informed because before adding anything on top of testosterone know the risk because everything we do is risk vs reward. Harm Reduction is very important we don’t want to hear that anyone has ever hurt themselves.

The compounds that you add to your future cycles should be chosen to fit your goals and possibly your issues during cycles. If you’re having estrogen issues maybe proviron or drostanolone can help keep aromatase at lower levels. Choose compounds for your lifestyle if you’re not interested in competing trenbolone and MENT probably aren’t compounds you want to run unless you believe that the risk is worth the reward.

Im a gymrat I’m not a competitive bber so ive never used trenbolone or other compounds that aren’t made for human use I like the peace of mind that the compounds I use I see people that have used massive amounts and are still going strong (Arnold, Stallone) just to mention a couple of names. I don’t believe in massive amounts though for someone like me who just wants to look good.

In the end its completely your choice. Just please do the research and ask questions were here to talk about cycling, compounds, diet, training anything related to fitness.
 
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Few things I’d like to say,some are agreeable,some are disagreeable. I like the concept of no cookie cutter plan,except for the first cycle, 500 a week is a good number along with a AI,and a pct, but then again, one could say 500 is a bit high, new guy at work is at 300 a week,hes put on 8 lbs in about two weeks, hes real lean to, so that’s a lot for him, and its quite noticeable,so if 300 is doin that then I said, well stick with it, no need to go higher for now.It seems nobody wants to hear 300,seems to low Ithink, 500 sounds much better, I get that especially if your new to this.And the number and a little bit of advice came from me, and I can’t believe I told him to start that low,doesn’t sound like me.Also I didn’t do a test only first or second cycle, nor did I run low numbers, so I’m giving advice that I didn’t take, feels like a hypocrite. The second cycle I would add in proviron,why not help yourself out as much as possible, without going overboard.My opinion and/or stance on the more harder compounds such as, tren,superdrol,halo etc. Is a bit different, I like to push limits, although I just want to be stronger and look good, I enjoy the harder ones,if I’m gonna be stronger or look better, I want it to be top notch,moderation and low dose is acceptable to me.Again if one should experiment with certain ones, do your homework,ask questions, EAT PROPERLY and a lot.Have vitamins that help your organs.Thats all I got for now…
 
Very well said @Bigmurph , wish I would have ran 300mg a week for my first cycle. I made great gains on 500 but I was wondering the whole time if I needed that much. Since then i’ve tried most compounds but found for putting on size and still feeling great test is all that’s needed.
 
Ive talked to a few guys here and there at different gyms and it seems a lot of guys taking gear are fat. A couple skinny that don’t look like it. I figure they think gear is a magic bean. I use to want to believe that myself but y’all set me straight before my first cycle and guided me the whole way. Most people on gear I know aside from UGM don’t understand the diet portion and when I tell them they don’t believe it. So that’s on them. But anyways if I had to choose between gear and a good diet I’ll take the good diet. Gear don’t seem to do much without it. At least not for me.
 
I have a couple friends that are on gear and look like sh!t. Cause they don’t diet. They eat fast food and drink beer like there is no tomorrow.
I try to tell them but it is like talking to a brick wall. Diet is key.
My coach has not changed much with my gear yet. Mainly diet changes. So I know he understands how things work.
 
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