Second cycle opinions for a newbie

[Itkis]

I don’t post much on here but I do read as much as I can. That being said I can’t seem to nail down what I want to do. My first cycle was 250 Test E 2x a week. Was supposed to be 10 weeks but ended up being like 8 1/2 due to I guess inaccurate measuring on someone’s part. Either way, towards the end I injured my shoulder so I didn’t retain as much afterwards as I would have liked. So I want to start thinking now of next steps. Next cycle won’t be til Oct at earliest. I wanted to stick with the 250 Test E twice a week but maybe add an oral. What are people’s thoughts for a good oral to add? Dosage? What weeks? Any info greatly greatly appreciated. This is how I learn

 

[Dirtnasty]

I think syringes account for loss when measuring so they know about .1 won’t actually get pushed in. At least this is my experience it seems I always do test first and those bottles seem to go at faster tte than the second compound i draw even if same dose. On adding an oral what’s the goal
You are trying to achieve. Cause I would auto suggest something that I love but not necessarily be right for what yiur trying to achieve

 

[Andrew0409]

I think Tbol is a great oral to try. Good lean gains. It’s the only steroid designed for performance enhancement and East Germans dominated with the stuff beating out countries that used test and dbol.

 

[JLee]

First cycle was a little short so there is no reason why you couldn’t just do another test only cycle. If your insisting on adding an oral, like @Dirtnasty said it really depends on what your trying to accomplish.

 

[John]

Do another cycle at 500 test, and Proviron,it frees up more of your test.

 

[NeuroRN]

So this is an excellent point. There’s a line between hoarding and keeping extra on hand. You should always have a couple extra vials of whatever you are using. What if your drop one? What if what if.

I would say stick to just test. I don’t know your stats but I like tbol. Adds lean size.

 

[NeuroRN]

Actually I retract tbol. I say do exactly what @John said.

 

[Rusty]

Agree with @John also.

 

[Itkis]

Sorry I forgot my stats. I’m 45. 190. Looking to cut down before the cycle. Hoping for lean gains when I do cycle

@John what dosage would you recommend? Timing?

Also had another question for all. I had to take .5 Adex 2x a week during weeks 7 thru PCT start. Would it be best for me to just be proactive and take it before waiting for test results? If yes, when should I start?

 

[PNWmuscle]

Your first was super short. Go test only 500mg per week, 16-20 weeks as long as bloodwork checks out. Eat good, train hard, recover well, and that’ll do a lot

 

[Rusty]

Agree with @PNWmuscle add the proviron in right away at 50 mg per day. How did you know you needed adex? Did you have blood work done? What was your estrogen at?

 

[Itkis]

@Rusty Bloodwork is the way to go!!! Yes Estrogen was at 122 at week 7 so I didn’t know if it was best to be proactive this time around

If I did the proviron route at 50 a day, and started at week 1, how long would I go?

 

[Dirtnasty]

I’m blasting cruising so the only time
I come
Off proviron is if I run out or I’m using masteron. Runnit with whole cycle it’s nothing that ls going yo make gains but it will
Fre uo test for that and general feeling of well being and bedroom action

 

[Rusty]

Dealing with the estrogen was good. That is too high. Take the proviron the whole time your taking test.

 

[Itkis]

This is all great info everyone. Thank you much. So in regard to the Adex, should I just proactively take it? Someone here suggested .5 2x a week only cause the cycle was almost over. Otherwise I believe they would have suggested .25 2x week. If the answer is yes, when is it suggested that I start?

 

[John]

Its already been said but 50mg of proviron daily should work.

 

[Itkis]

I just found a related threat stating to wait for blood work mid cycle, so that answers my Adex question. Thanks for all the info guys

 

[JLee]

Just my opinion… Where as your E2 was super high on just test 250 twice a week I personally would use Adex maybe .25 twice a week after the second pin then adjust after blood work.

 

[Itkis]

@JLee interesting thought. I kinda wanted to get in front of it so I thought maybe doing bloods at week 4. But now you bring up an interesting point.

 

[munn1983]

122 E2 is high and like all are eluding too — use Proviron. Proviron lowers SBHG and therefore enables free testosterone to bind and be utilized at androgenic receptor sites. For some 122 is cool but < or = 38 is normal. But if your SBHG is low and free test above normal or on the high end of normal you’ll be good. Remember there is a synergism between E2 and Test and estrogen provides you with cardiac health, healthy sex(erections) and stable mood in general as well as a plethora of other beneficial functions so never get it to low… 50 Proviron is cool split it up AM/PM. Test should always be the cornerstone of any cycle. Like some of the older wiser Professors on this site emphasize more is not always better so just small bumps in “T” as well as all AAS is always wise. Maybe a 250 increase. You have an injured shoulder. Deca Durabolin does make injured joints feel like a million bucks and 300 of Deca weekly is conservative and Deca is an AAS that will not aromatize into estrogen like testosteronem. It can’t it’s a 19 Nor so it’s impossible but it is a progesterone molecule so it can wreak havoc on prolactin which in of itself can cause gynecomistia. This will occur 6-8 weeks into cycle if it does but 300 mg a week old timers say won’t cause spikes and and corresponding gyno. Brother Deca Durabolin takes a few weeks to kick in so be patient or use Deca and just plain NPP I mix them half Deca Durabolin and half NPP or Durabolin both are Nandrolone but NPP is attached to a short ester and works faster and as such has a shorter half life… if you can get a prolactin level 3/4 way into cycle. You can also take dostinex 1/4 mg twice a week this is also called caber. It’s a dopamine agonists that works directly on pituitary gland and prolactin. Some studies link concurrent use of Deca and Caber to left ventricular hypertrophy in lab rats. But this was high dose. Proviron Test Deca is good second cycle. Don’t forget N2 complete cycle support is totally good to go whilst cycling. I would use Arimidex 1/2mg at least 3 times a week till E2 drops even EOD till it gets into normal range then tittate Arimidex as needed…good luck and please keep an eye on your lipids as well as B/Pressure. God bless