What's everyones opinion about GH?

[TBU]

Also high doses grows internal organs. Why a lot of pros have that turtle shell gut. Vacuum pose and smallest waist? Not in today’s game. It’s gotten to the point where it looks odd. Symmetry and proportion are just gone. Got a big gut and waist? Just make everything else big… I miss those old days and champions…

 

[PHD]

@McSwickles Each cycle no matter which one bulk or cut, testosterone is absolutely fundamental base. Trenbolone is a high blocker of testosterone so testosterone needS to be higher in relation to Trenbolone. So test is always your base in any cycle

 

[TG1]

So test is always your base in any cycle

So many people forget this. I never truly made gains till someone pointed that out to me years ago (15 maybe) and upped my test on all my cycles.

 

[PHD]

Like building a house you need a base. I’m glad I was taught fundamentals of gear use before I ever started.

 

[McSwickles]

@TBU up until recently I never had the desire either, I’m kind of leaning toward passing on it. I think it is a great compound on paper, and it obviously makes a huge impact at the pro level, I don’t compete and I’m not a pro, so I’m thinking for now I may pass.

@johnjuanb1 that sucks dicks your receptors suck dick!

@PHD I always run test as a base to all of my cycle as well, I was under the impression that because tren not only suppresses your test, but having an androgenic/anabolic rating 5x higher, more or less overpowers the test when the two compounds compete for receptors. I was taught that more than a low dose test to compensate for the suppression was unnecessary, and that the excess test is more likely to convert, contributing to more pronounced sides. I’ve ran test higher than tren several times, when I started using AAS this was the way everybody ran tren. This was the way I was taught to run tren, however after trying several cycles with maintenance level test, I prefer to run tren dosed higher than test. I have found the gains are not as good with lower test, but there still great. I also love the way I feel when dosed this way. I’ve always thought of tren as a versatile compound capable of being used to meet a number of different goals. Have you ever ran test lower than tren, I’m not suggesting that it is the “best” way to run it, but I do think that it has it benefits. I don’t think it makes me inexperienced or unknowledgeable to prefer running my cycle this way.

 

[PHD]

Well like I always say if it works for you stick to it. You seek to like it and it works for you so why change? I was just putting my two cents in. I personally wouldn’t do it because higher test works for me. There’s always several different ways to skin a cat.

 

[TG1]

So in my experience I’ve run test/tren every single way. Now whatever works best for you is what you should do. I had a hard time years ago gaining past a certain amount. I sought out advice from others. One guy told me that my base at that time should be 1g and everything else was a cycle above that. I grew like a weed after I made those changes. And the side effects hit me like a brick but I didn’t care because I got the results I was after.

Even now I’m on symbios cut mix and I don’t even count the test prop I inject as my base. I love it and after being off a few years its a great feeling to be back.

Don’t think what you once learned was gospel because anything can change but all depends on what your willing to do and the sides.

Years ago BigA posted on ProM this.

If your diet, training, health and rest are completely up to scratch, the more steroids you take, the bigger you will get. It’s as simple as that.

Pros have got their diet, training (health for the most part) and rest up to a standard that works for them perfectly, but they are only the size they are due to the drugs they take. Don’t believe the crap from anyone, that they are not, even from the ‘in the know’ people that are on this board. Those very same people for the most part have used/use extremely higher dosages than what they preach. Why do they preach the low dosages? - various personal agendas.

Reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the ‘off’ time for the pros. Gear is added as it’s obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they’ll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously).

Several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a shit load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, GH as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30IU/day, etc.

BUT, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it.

And ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e’s, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc.

Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can’t control bodily functions, they pass out from walking a flight of stairs, they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are ALL existent in virtually all of them.

It is not a healthy sport, drug use is ENORMOUS, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about.

BTW, Synthetek’s books have on them who’s who of current pros ordering Syntherol constantly. They ALL use it extensively. It is pathetic though, when one orders a bottle and their credit card gets declined due to not enough funds. You think a 30+ yo would have his life in order more than that.

Anyway, I’m sick of seeing the bullshit that has been promoted on this site the last few years.

Its all up to you. What you want and want to achieve. Sometimes the sides are worth the benefit and sometimes they aren’t. Its a personal choice. Your not at the level of a pro bodybuilder making his career at it. So no you don’t need the higher dosages. But the principles are the same. If you want to look like a gym rat, cycle like a gym rat. All depends on personal choice and experience with compounds.

I’m sure PhD didn’t mean to just assume you were inexperienced but the amounts you are taking are not in line the principles of test as a base.

 

[McSwickles]

@PHD I appreciate you taking time to offer advice, like I said I have a lot of respect for you and appreciate you sharing your opinion. Thanks brother.

@TG solid advance man, thank you.

 

[Bigmurph6]

@rnmuscle ive seen you post a bodybuilder enhancement plan just like you said a gram of test as a base and than anything else that you can inject on top is just a bonus that just gets you that much bigger.

Crazy stuff but I imagine its true

 

[Bigmurph6]

I have a friend that grew 4 inches taller from taking so mu hgh in the 90s all pharma grade but he really hates it now because of all the carpal tunnel and different nerve damage.
It definitely caused him alot of pain but I use low dose hgh 2iu max a day for me.

 

[Raphael3636]

You wouldn’t run test lower during prep?

 

[John]

Oh yeah that one paragraph about them being wrecks sounds real dam appealing, I’m glad this is my hobby and not my life.

 

[Dutchpharma]

It really depends on goals and cash flow. If you’re looking at getting the most out of everything and have unlimited funds, sure why not. There are many compounds out there that will provide MUCH more in the terms of muscle gains department for much cheaper.

 

[McSwickles]

I think it’s fucking incredible what some of these pro’s are able to accomplish, it’s fucking impressive, but yeah, this is after the bills are paid and the kids are fed for me. I like the way TG put it, I cycle like a gym rat.

 

[PHD]

No not till final week then I drop my test

 

[Thunder]

You must be one of those dudes who can handle those Tren sides! Lol
Count your blessings!