I cherry picked these posts from a thread. This is all @Neuro and quite possibly the best advice I’ve ever read/heard.
Cycling on and off steroids comes from several poorly designed studies using anavar in nursing home men who were not training nor eating properly, and the results tapered off around 8-10weeks. Then the “bro’s” began consuming massive doses of AAS causing toxic lab levels, so the theory prevailed. Run high AAS for unrealistic gains for a short amount of time to lessen toxic effects of AAS.
I can’t in any form or fashion suggest cycling AAS. There’s no data suggesting this is the way.
If I were starting now at 25… I wouldn’t start now. But since your dead set on it… here’s an alternative route.
Titrate your test dose to as high as you possibly can tolerate without the use of a single ancillary. None. No nolva. No AI. Nada. Get labs along the way. Every 3 months. As long as labs stay healthy. Keep going. Once you find that dose, add in 100-200 of mast or primo to increase your androgen:estrogen ratio.
Once labs indicate stress on the body. Back off to normal therapeutic dosing of test.
If you want kids, either route cycle or continuous will potentially fuck future fertility.
Two things every enhanced athlete needs to be on to mitigate the major risks we incur by playing this game:
Glutathione (subq inj route only)
Telmisartan.
I’ve written extensively on both. Good luck. Read read read all you can on this site.
Low and slow is the long term name of the game. If you add 10lbs of mass a year you are in a rare class. If you don’t care about being around for a long time then blast away at crazy doses.
You wanna play this game into your 60-70’s and be healthy into your 80’s-90’s?
Low. Slow. No orals. No exotics that have no human testing data behind it. Stick to the compounds with data behind them.
Cycling on and off steroids comes from several poorly designed studies using anavar in nursing home men who were not training nor eating properly, and the results tapered off around 8-10weeks. Then the “bro’s” began consuming massive doses of AAS causing toxic lab levels, so the theory prevailed. Run high AAS for unrealistic gains for a short amount of time to lessen toxic effects of AAS.
I can’t in any form or fashion suggest cycling AAS. There’s no data suggesting this is the way.
If I were starting now at 25… I wouldn’t start now. But since your dead set on it… here’s an alternative route.
Titrate your test dose to as high as you possibly can tolerate without the use of a single ancillary. None. No nolva. No AI. Nada. Get labs along the way. Every 3 months. As long as labs stay healthy. Keep going. Once you find that dose, add in 100-200 of mast or primo to increase your androgen:estrogen ratio.
Once labs indicate stress on the body. Back off to normal therapeutic dosing of test.
If you want kids, either route cycle or continuous will potentially fuck future fertility.
Two things every enhanced athlete needs to be on to mitigate the major risks we incur by playing this game:
Glutathione (subq inj route only)
Telmisartan.
I’ve written extensively on both. Good luck. Read read read all you can on this site.
Low and slow is the long term name of the game. If you add 10lbs of mass a year you are in a rare class. If you don’t care about being around for a long time then blast away at crazy doses.
You wanna play this game into your 60-70’s and be healthy into your 80’s-90’s?
Low. Slow. No orals. No exotics that have no human testing data behind it. Stick to the compounds with data behind them.
- Find you test dosage for you as a genetically unique male, that requires no ancillary support whatsoever. For me personally as a genetically unique male: 400mg of test a week. Run this dose for a year. Maximize those gains from having elevated test levels. Check labs every 3months to ensure all other lab values remain in check on your unique dose.
- AFTER your gains slow, add in primo or mast.
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