When did these orals and shit become pre workout? Ive never felt any difference, Even suspension and TNE, I have felt a better pump from a “real” NO product, Now the stupidest but best was the Amended Milos Novolog with some carbs and a couple others products pre workout and post…But, my second time dazed and confused running next store to circle K and chugging fanta grape from the big gulp machine, “hey you gonna pay for that”? put an end to that. It was the few times I did regular instead of the Fast one peak(technically no but Bro science yes). about an hour in , Id start sweating, etc. Thats the danger anyone who reads this, know your burning Glucose, so you kinda have to over compensate all throughout the workout…Whatever, Do you guys get a mental edge or actually stronger or better pump? I gotta say Halotestin, I could feel but at that time Id use it daily for 4 weeks at a time then switch. All non evidence based of course, and a long time ago. now , I will say depleted and leaner there was always a certain edge from everything, it was just accidently pre workout if taken then.