IGF 1LR3 reasonable expectations?

[Fifty3]

January I plan a second cycle ever. First was what I would consider a wild success from avians perspective but felt like I was injecting road tar. This one I hope to have a better experience through some non home brewed product. I would like to add igf1 lr3. To the mix and hcg in cycle to prevent more shrinkage.

I’ve read it’s great at tissue healing. Can anyone verify? Any experiences? Would it also work for post surgery healing? Also curious what expectations I should have. I’ve read localized growth is crazy and also that it’s minimal. I’ve read expect about a pound of real muscle a week and expect next to nothing noticeable… I intend to run it along side test e and hcg and just want the hyperplasia and add some real cells and more density. I tell myself if I have similar results it will be my last cycle, but a voice in my head chuckles at me when I say that… any tips advice or recent article you can point me to is all appreciated …

 

[Dirtnasty]

Ok no experience with igf but here it’s hard to come by real stuff and that’s usually expensive. There’s a sponsor I trust that has it at good price but I’m heartiest to even try his. That said from all reports it’s pretty serious compound. Personally I’m Gigi t it wait until my gains from larger cycles slows down before adding that in

 

[Fifty3]

Thanks a few version of igf exist. Igf1 is the expensive super short half life … like 20 minutes
LR3 version stays in system about 20 hours . I’ve seen some argue that’s irrelevant but I don’t believe it is. (Think time released pain relievers) regardless LR3 is asker to get and peg mgf (similar stuff?) is less still. I’m hoping to hear from some guys that have run it what they have found. I don’t believe the lr3 localized would make any difference as it’s systemic and should bind to any “trauma site”… thanks for your reply… if I run it I’ll share any and everything I learn…

 

[Dirtnasty]

If legit I hear it will def pack on the size but should
Used long poem 6 weeks max I believe. Like I said I will give a
Try when I’m tapped out on everything else

 

[NeuroRN]

I gotta be honest. This seems like a big jump on your second cycle. And I don’t really see a need for it, cost to benefit ratio. There are cheaper and equally effective ways to put on mass, heal joint damage, and unless you pay out the ass it’s probably going to be fake.

I’ve never futz with it. Don’t really care to, I’ve had enough headache with fake expensive compounds.

 

[Fifty3]

I’ve heard igf1 is crazy expensive
Igf 1 LR3 is much less costly.
Peg mgf cheaper still from a very reputable source. I do appreciate the feedback. It’s what I need to make my decision. So when I do or don’t decide to try it I can feel good about it with no re-gerts (I know it’s regret. Was a movie reference.)

I am curious why you wouldn’t try a hyperplasia product earlier though since it provides more foundational muscle cells to push into hypertrophy as you cycle other products…

It’s not my intent to cycle many more times, but at 53… I just want as much solid real mass to carry into my golden years where muscle wasting is more or less inevitable…

 

[NeuroRN]

I haven’t spent much time researching if we’re being honest. I don’t have a scientific defense against it, I do know peptides are easily faked and often difficult to verify. It may be the holy grail of muscle
Mass, but I’m ignorant to most of its use. I went on a primo chase this year and swore off most compounds that are commonly faked.

Unless it’s some magic potion that I’m unaware of, will you still have to train once you finish it to maintain that muscle? 53… @Poppy tell this man he’s still got years to train his body.

 

[Fifty3]

Thanks for the reply. I know I have years but I want to add the cells now. And then grow them more over time. From a genetic predisposition to have only x amount of muscle tissue to hypertrophy (using that wrong I’m sure) I want add that extra cellular growth (hyperplasia) and yes those cells stay. As our existing cells grow through training, adding cells allows us to grow them the same way. Essentially exceeding our genetic predisposition.
Nothing is without risk.
I am hoping to hear from guys that have used the stuff (specifically igf1 LR3 ) and if they noticed the value it’s supposed to provide

 

[Poppy]

You’re wading into territory I can’t comment on either.

I just know, personally, that the closer I got to 60 the more body mass muscle or fat I had to carry didn’t bode well with my overall health markers. At 5’9ish (5’ 10” after chiropractor visit) and 220 for thru my 40’s and most of my 50’s… ate my way to 242 mid 40’s for platform. That was short term and I’m naturally low 220’s. I’ve lost ~18 pounds in the last year… mostly fat probably a little muscle. My a1c and overall health improved drastically.

I dropped to a reasonable trt dose and kinda quit chasing “gains”. They still came though.

I’m not sure what I’m trying to say. Personally the older i get the less compounds I care to put in my body…and my training is still very good.

 

[Poppy]

What are your stats… height weight if you don’t mind answering. I apologize if you listed them already.

 

[Fifty3]

53 6’ (lost an inch over the years) 190
Again, the gains on chasing are for personal and physical reasons. I’ve always been a hard gainer.
Basically 135 at 6-1 from 15 to my 20’s
Looking back it was mostly diet I’m guessing.

But in the past year I dieted from 185 (fat) to 170 to a cycle of test e up to 200 off cycle dropped to 190 but lost at least 5% fat on cycle. 90% of strength gains stayed with me (cycle ended may1)
I am thinking the hyperplasia will add cellular muscle that I can continue to build over the next 10 years

 

[Poppy]

I just reread this thread. I understand what you’re asking. To avoid ingesting any exotic chems that may or may not be legit…

Have you tried a combination of strength and hypertrophy exercises? About the last 10 years or so “powerbuilding” has became vogue. It’s a combination of powerlifting/strength/bodybuilding. I know guys like me that don’t have the discipline of a bodybuilder or the will to get on the platform…. It seems to be just right.

I also believe you can manipulate your diet to help you get to where you want.

You made great progress on your first cycle. Maybe add in something a little “lighter” for #2.

I think you’d be surprised.

 

[Fifty3]

Appreciate the feedback. I did the PHUL program on that simple test e cycle. Plus 3400 calories a day with 190-200g of that as protein.

Joints are not completely appreciating this program … especially tendons in arms and elbows… tendinitis in Rt elbow and pain in left inner elbow … the igf1 lr3 is supposed to help with that tissue healing as well. It’s exogenous but I’m struggling to find what the biggest downside is from a single 4-5 week cycle.

Test e is exogenous too and seems to have a lot more sides. When coupled with the igf long it should just grow new cells and hypertrophy those cells as well.

Glad to hear what program you’d suggest for gains as well too

 

[Dirtnasty]

The downsides is mostly fake,cancer cells growing quicker than body can control. Joints not keeping up with growth and what not. Again I’m waiting till all other roads have slowed before using this compound

 

[Poppy]

I like that program. Very solid.

This is my personal experience and opinion only. That program, as its written, is more for a younger man. Way to much volume for me. I was on my designed program after retirement. It was very similar and found that the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze. My joints at 56yo couldn’t take it. At that time I was still training squats with 8 plates and bench with 6. In order for me to maintain that program i was going to have to drop my training weight down to something I wasn’t willing to live with. By then my elbows and knees hurt bad. My happy medium was only one squat movement a week one posterior chain a week. One bench of any sort a week. No deadlifts just cuz I’m lazy and suck. Then it was pull ups and a row once a week. Basically a push pull legs one time a week. There were some other ancillary muscle building prehab movements in there like biceps delts traps fluff n buff stuff.

Today… i just try and maintain some sort of respectable strength without killing myself…literally and keep my body weight to a manageable level (below 210 works for me) and of course healthy quality of life stuff.

My opinion is go ahead and try the igf1 lr3. you’re a responsible adult and apparently no dummy.

I’m tagging in a couple of other old men. @herrubermensch @TBU

 

[Poppy]

Here i am… sweaty old bastard. 5 days after my 60th a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Poppy]

For the record I’ve been kicking the idea of using hgh/igf similar compounds around for years now.

 

[Fifty3]

You look bigger than 210… not a shot! A compliment. I hit 200 at 6’ and arms never passed 15.5” still at 15.5 now down to 188
Strength gains still damned close to when I peaked at 200 first of May. Curious how tall you are. No obligation to reply
Just curious.
Anyone else here see their gains in size in the mirror, then about 2 weeks later you look again and looks like it’s all gone? But your clothes still fit different and you still have the strength?

It’s a weird phenomenon
The wife says I look bigger than ever but… but… I’m no longer seeing it…

Appreciate the feedback you’ve provided.

Wish the peptide guys could talk about this stuff.
I’ve seen some in forums years ago get very detailed. Now you just get responses like you’re at the dmv

 

[Poppy]

I’m 5’10” after chiropractor… shrink to 5-9 in a couple of weeks hahaha. I walked around at 220 forever. Carried al lot of it in my glutes and thighs as I was always a big squatter and my lower responded well. I’m fighting exactly opposite of you. Due to health reasons I need to keep weight down a bit…i can be at 220 shortly and 250 by valentines day. It won’t be pretty.

I’ve often contemplated the big little thing…generally speaking a woman likes tiny/little… a man likes big… very interesting stuff.

The whole mirror and self image thing is way over rated. Of course I’m a proponent of being comfortable in your own skin.

 

[Poppy]

I think you’re like most… you put in a lot of time and effort into the gym diet etc and see something spectacular one day and catch it in the mirror a week later and see something less….I personally put that crap behind me. I’m just trying to be the best ME I can.

I’m real sure you actually look way different than you think you do.