Permanent Cycle--55 Years Old

[herrubermensch]

Thought I would introduce myself here and solicit advice. I’m 55 and a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away I was 245lbs @12% body fat at 5’11’’ after significant gear usage. Fast forward a couple of clean decades and focus on my career and I decided it was time to go on TRT and regain a modicum of my former condition. So I’ve been on six months at 280mg Test Cyp each week, injection EOD, plus 100iu of HCG ED and 100mg DHEA (oral troche) ED. Peak testing after four months showed TT at 2000+, FT 427, and E2 at 140. Trough testing showed TT at 1200+, FT at 276, and E2 at 84. No E2 sides other than slight aggravation of historical gyno, but nothing to write home about. Back in the 1000 lb club on bench, dead, and squat at 225 lbs. so all good, right? Especially with a full thickness tear of my supraspinatus in my left shoulder!

Well, not satisfied with good enough, I have upped my test dose to 350, added masteron at 175, and added 300 mcg of ipamorelin/Mod GRF1-29 3XED. Feel even better, though occasional joint stiffness. Two questions:

1. I’m going to be on TRT for life, as my endogenous production was in the low 3s, and I felt lethargic and lifeless, and I have had all the children I’m going to have (three grown boys). Any reason I should not be able to maintain my current cycle in perpetuity, provided I monitor BP, E2 sides, PSA, etc.? I get tested every 90 days.
2. Back in the day, I did the Sus, Deca, Dbol trio, and the Deca really helped with joint pain. Everyone seems to use NPP now, and I’m thinking about adding that to the stack, albeit in low amounts. Thoughts on advisability of this? If so, how much?

Appreciate the advice. Posting here because this is too much info for Google to see.

 

[Mossy1985]

Nice introduction sir! Welcome aboard officially! There’s a lot of knowledge on this board.

 

[Bigmurph6]

Welcome to ugmuscle

If you want help you can’t post in the other category and get help this isn’t the correct place for this type of post.

Google already knows everything about you

They don’t know that you made this post unless on your side you have already given it to them do you use Android?

 

[herrubermensch]

Oops. Sorry about that.

I do not use Android.

 

[Dirtnasty]

Welcome to the community

 

[TBU]

Welcome aboard! It’s ok. I’ve been on here awhile and still can’t figure out where to post shit. Great post. And once again welcome aboard!

 

[Ominous]

Welcome

 

[NeuroRN]

Welcome. Thanks for posting an intro up.

As far as your questions… of course you feel better. Your test was above high normal trt dosing… and you started a cycle and increased your test.

If you’ve increased your test, with those estrogen numbers you will most likely need to look into an AI.

I personally cannot and would not advocate for a lifelong cycle. Your talking about running test at a supra-physiological dose indefinitely, there will be unintended consequences.

You want to cycle with NPP or run it with your lifelong cycle?

It’s your body. At least you’re willing to get labs every 90 days. If you’re willing to actually adjust according to your labs you could probably run that for awhile. However you still won’t be able to outrun the effects of running high test for a long time.

TRT is effective and safe long term bc the return the body to Normal physiological function. Not above it.

 

[herrubermensch]

Thanks to all for the welcome!

NeuroRN: I appreciate the advice. When I first saw the test results, I debated starting an AI, but in my prior life when I did that, my E2 crashed, and horrific sexual sides ensued (not ED, but anorgasmia–not bad for her, but horrific for me). I also have read a lot of recent literature indicating that absolute E2 values are irrelevant and that the relevant measure is the Test/E2 ratio. That is, high Test requires high E2 for everything to work right. I’m sure there’s a limit. We shall see.

I was thinking about adding NPP to the cycle in small amounts for joint pain and a little anabolism. Of course, it’s probably only going to exacerbate the E2, right? But maybe competition with the Masteron for E2 receptors would prevent? I think I’ll await the results of the next 90 day labs and see where the E2 is before trying the NPP.

As for the lifetime cycle, I hear you, but what would you expect the consequences of running supraphysiological levels of test to be? My HPTA is shut down, so I expect that.

Anyway, thanks for the input! (And sorry for continuing this in the wrong forum!)

 

[Bigmurph6]

That is, high Test requires high E2 for everything to work right. I’m sure there’s a limit. We shall see.

This is true estrogen is very Anabolic and part of the muscle building process so we need to atleast be a little high but when estrogen starts going off the charts its really hard on the cardiovascular system but on the other end low estrogen in men causes cardiovascular issues also gotta pick your sweet spot. If you’re comfortable without side effects then I believe you should keep a close eye on it because we’re all about Harm Reduction.

The npp will raise your e2 also and then im sure you know that progesterone can climb and cause problems also with a nor19 compound.

I can see a great trt test and mast or proviron it will keep you feeling good and with doctor supervision you should be doing great.

Don’t worry we can talk about this in your introduction and we look forward to hearing more from you brother.

 

[NeuroRN]

Second what big murph said.

You will most likely see permanent left ventricular hypertrophy, potential for increased arterial plaque formation which leads to hypertension which leads to micro vessel damage and increased risk of stroke and heart attack. That’s just what immediately comes to mind. There’s a reason the high doses are cycled. The body needs to rest and adjust. Your HPTA being shot is insignificant if you’re already doing trt.

Again, we’re taking prolonged supra-physiological dosing. So take all your risk factors of high dose test… and multiply them over years.

Now there’s health benefits that paradoxically protect against all of those risk when test is kept it the mid to high normal range.

As always- these are numbers on a piece of papers, associated with generalizations about the general population. You specifically may be different. You specifically may be naturally running high prior to your gear usage. There’s always lots of variables, but those would be my concerns that immediately come to mind.

 

[herrubermensch]

BigMurph and NeuroRN: Thanks to you both. I’m going to have a heart/vascular scan soon and measure ejection fraction and all that good stuff soon and see where I am.

 

[Rusty]

My cholesterol goes nuts when I cycle but when I TRT between cycles with my total test being 8 or 900 my cholesterol gets back in safe ranges with the help
Of some
Supplements If I were to do a life long cycle I probably wouldn’t see my daughter graduate high school. @herrubermensch

 

[JLee]

Welcome to the board!

 

[herrubermensch]

Thanks for your response. I have always had ridiculously good cholesterol and BP. I had a colonoscopy last week (fun–NOT), and my BP at the hospital was 120/60, and that was immediately after having done my injections! Liver issues are going to be my bugaboo if anything. Runs in the family.

 

[Rusty]

We all react different. That’s why it’s good to have a place like this to share. If red flags go up when it comes to someone’s health then they will know it lol. You ever think about HGH long term and cycle while on that. A lot of old timers here do that.

 

[herrubermensch]

Agreed! I’ve only ever done GH peptides rather than GH itself, theory being that it’s hard to get too much GH/IGF that way. I should research whether I would do materially better with 2-3iu of GH itself ED, rather than 300mcg of ipamorelin/Mod GRF 1-29 3xED.

 

[Dirtnasty]

I’m planning on doing 2ius gh Monday thru Friday morning and 25 mg mk677 every night in about a month so kind of mix and match producing more and adding actual gh to the system

 

[Rusty]

Please let me know how your research goes. @herrubermensch

 

[MySQLMan]

I found that, at my age (61), GH Secretagogues don’t do sh*t for me. That’s because 60-year-old pituatary glands don’t make enough of it (if any) no matter how much peptides you inject.

2 i.u.s of HGH, OTOH, give me amazing results. MY BMR after 1 year of HGH is about 5000 calories a day! I just get leaner and leaner, no matter how much I eat.

I prefer OneQ brand (a UGM sponsor) for the best cost/potency ratio.