Why take an ARB? Why Telmisartan?

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Nothing personal against telmisartan. It’s great if you have high blood pressure and need medication. I’m just saying there is no drug that is perfect. Taking medicine to lower blood pressure when you have low blood pressure is illogical. For example, it took me a matter of seconds to find literature on a risk of telmisartan to bone mineral density. Be careful!

Bone mineral density is reduced by telmisartan in male spontaneously hypertensive rats

ABSTRACT

Background: Telmisartan, an angiotensin AT1 receptor blocker, and treadmill running were compared for their effects on bone mineral density (BMD) and biomechanical properties of male spontaneously hypertensive rats (SHR). It was hypothesized that running (18 m/min/60 min/d) and telmisartan (5 mg/ kg/d) would have a positive effect on bone parameters.

Methods: Three-month-old male SHRs were divided into three groups: sedentary (S), telmisartan (T), and exercise (E). At the end of an 8-week protocol, femur and lumbar vertebrae were analyzed by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry (DXA) for bone mineral density and by the three-point bending test for biomechanical properties. Blood pressure in all groups was measured by a tail-cuff manometer. Results: Telmisartan and treadmill running reduced blood pressure when compared to the sedentary group; however, telmisartan did not improve bone characteristics. Instead, it reduced bone mineral density of femur total and lumbar vertebrae and worsened bone biomechanic properties. Treadmill running maintained bone characteristics and hence was effective in maintaining bone health.

Conclusion: Results showed that telmisartan negatively affected bones suggesting that caution should be taken in possible therapeutic applications for protecting bone health in hypertensive conditions. More studies are necessary to clarify the mechanisms through which telmisartan favors bone loss in this model.

ã 2016 Published by Elsevier Sp. z o.o. on behalf of Institute of Pharmacology, Polish Academy of Sciences.
 
johnjuanb1 said:
telmisartan (5 mg/ kg/d)
Get outta here bro! This dose is absolutely absurd. That’s the equivalent of me taking 520 mg of telmisartan daily! 😂😂

I bet I’d have all sorts of issues.
 
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Maybe not create a problem to fix…. A low dose 10mg should not lower BP. If it did you would know quick and fast b/c you would feel lightheaded at times. IF that were to happen, stop taking it.
 
Quick Update:

0 mg 2 week average = 131/71
20 mg 2 week average = 130/71
40 mg 2 week average = 126/70
60 mg 2 week average = TBD

I will say although the reduction in BP has not been as substantial as I had hoped, the peaks and valleys of the twice daily readings have flattens out considerably which I consider to be a substantial improvement overall. Also, at 60 mg daily now I may get the added benefit increased endurance and visceral fat reduction which is associated with 80mg dosage…at least a little. Still hoping to get down to slightly above 120/70 average. Will keep ya posted.
 
This is good bp!

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So telmisartan is the weakest arb at reducing BP. it has the longest half life and bring all the other benefits at lower doses.

I am currently looking into the beta blocker Bystolic. At 2.5-10 mg it has large health benefits, massive boosts in nitric oxide, none of the known beta blocker side effects.

At doses of 2.5-5 there’s minimal HR and BP lowering but all the benefits.

The combo of Bystolic and telmisartan would be my choice if I was actually needing to lower BP.
 
Bystolic(nebivolol) is one of the few bp meds that actually worked on me. No erection issues. Lowered my heart rate by around 25%. Better quality sleep. I would imagine it’s harder to lose body fat. Nebivolol made it much harder to elevate the heart rate during cardio.
This drug is insanely expensive due to no generic in the USA . You can get the generic online in India dirt cheap.
 
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I see that Bystolic is different than other beta blockers b/c it:

*Does not inhibits the increase in heart rate normally seen with exercise
*Does not reduce Melatonin production by 80% like other Beta Blockers
*Does not worsen asthma or cause headache b/c its 3rd gen
*I also see where a generic version has been recently released (edited)

…my question is what are we to know about the use of a Beta Blocker for general health and longevity Benefits outside the scope of cardio protection?
 
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I would say cardio protection is the main benefit here. I’m VERY early in my research and when I’m further a long I will make a post about it.

As I stand right now, my HR stays elevated due to adderall use and a weird sleep schedule, so I’m going to dig into this over the next several days.

EXCELLENT question @Aude_Aliquid_Dignu
 
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