Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesterone Management + Gynecomastia Prevention & Reversal

[NeuroRN]

This write up took a lot of effort and for that I acknowledge the author. But I’d like to present a different view point.

Elevated e2 causes gyno.
There’s no such thing as prolactin induced gyno.
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Both play a role in breast development. What’s more important is that when the balance is offset and one hormone elevates above the others we see breast development as that hormone over rides the inhibitory inputs our body naturally has.

If estrogen was THE culprit leading to gyno, why can you get gyno after surgery? Or from finnasteride?

Estro causes water retention? High BP? Estrogen is our biggest protector. The shield bearing hormone for our brains, heart, vasculature etc.

What’s not bro science- in the presence of increased levels of estrogen and testosterone we see an increase in the precursor to angiotensin. Which is what will in fact lead to all of our problems as enhanced athletes.

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If using an AI is so important and estrogen is so bad… I encourage you to search for articles linking use of AI’s to bone problems, stroke, heart attack.

Instead of running so much gear that you suffer from the side effects of extremely supraphysiologic estrogen…

I offer you telmisartan. Which mitigates all those things about “estrogen” you seek to escape while allowing your test and estrogen ratio to stay balanced and protect your vital organs.

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And I would say rather than focus on high gear with quickest gains… find the test dosage and compound choices that you can run as high as possible without crushing your natural estrogen and prolactin.

You’re all adults. Time to make your choices.

 

[Yusuk99]

Very interesting… have you ever tried running it during cycle?

 

[Poppy]

Telmisartan?

 

[NeuroRN]

I take it every day.

 

[Poppy]

I do too

 

[Dmomuchole]

Great article, I’ll admit I don’t understand a lot of it but I get the general idea. I really like the concept of running test or gear at the highest dose possible with as minimal side effects or need for AI. I think thats a great concept you pointed out. I’ve dialed in my test to about 500mg without bloat or any other noticable aromatizing sides.

What is your ideal dosage?

 

[Dirtnasty]

Now I’m always goig to run things way to high so ancillaries will be in there. But I think I could run test with prov at 50mg a day and nothing else at maybe 700a week

 

[Dmomuchole]

Yeah your body seems to handle high doses fairly well.

 

[Dirtnasty]

I was showing guys at gym my bloods from last year when I was running ing 1000 700 650 tmt and 40 sd with using 7-14 gof coke week 2.5 g of molly the weekend before and i did a fat line of coke before o left for drawing got pulled over for speeding got warning cause I showed my paper work for dr apt. They said they would kill for my numbers hahah.

 

[Dirtnasty]

Not glorying any of that in fact I would recommend not doing any of that. Somebody else might run 300 test e and it fucks them up. Genetics baby

 

[Dmomuchole]

Lol for real though. Lol I don’t know how your still alive haha

 

[NeuroRN]

What is your ideal dosage?

The highest you can run as a genetically unique male without the need for any AI.

 

[dburk55]

I have gyno on one side but I believe it’s from puberty it’s hard to be sure because I always was fat for most of my life but it’s soft lump and very small I’m considering trying raloxifene has anyone had good results I’ve read a lot of people are going this route before surgery

 

[Yusuk99]

I have gyno on one side but I believe it’s from puberty it’s hard to be sure because I always I was fat for most of my life but it’s soft lump and very small I’m considering trying raloxifene has anyone had good results I’ve read a lot of people are going this route before surgery

I recently tried Raloxifene and had to stop within a week. Nasty side effects. Extremely dry and painful joints and the worst acne breakout since my teens.

Not to mention the possibility of blood clots.
The medicine was pulled from the market for just that

 

[dburk55]

Can I ask what dose you were running? I’m gonna give it a shot I’ll be weary tho and pay closer attention to how I feel

 

[NeuroRN]

Just be careful. Please. I was told by multiple overseas pharmacy that there’s no where to even get raw powders anymore. Maybe that changed since I asked about it, but both independently said no one should be able to Carry it anymore.

 

[dburk55]

Sheeesh, I mean I used a source that’s pretty reliable for it but if anything off happens I’ll stop not really worth it my gyno is extremely small honestly barely noticeable but I just wanna see if it does work but I won’t risk my health I can just save for the surgery good to hear all this honestly

 

[NeuroRN]

Awesome. I hope it’s real, and I hope it helps without any of the nasties! Please keep us updated for sure. Go low. Go slow. Especially with this stuff!

 

[dburk55]

Yes that’s usually the way I do anything I start low, and If there’s anyones opinion I trust and consider it would be yours for sure thank you I will lyk should be here next week

 

[dburk55]

So about two weeks In, I started tapering my dose up I notice a small small reduction in size as it was already very small it’s “tighter” now, I have less sensitivity, once I finish this bottle If this is the extent of the results I don’t know if I’d be interested in continuing use if the side effect risks are this high honestly but I’ll update again