My current situation and plan

[NeuroRN]

Lots of other options that are “dry” compounds other than winstrol. Anavar and tbol come to mind. I really like tbol it don’t have a ton of experience with winstrol… I already deal with enough joint pain.

I think winstrol can be kinda hard on the cholesterol.

What is it about winstrol in particular are you drawn to? Just wanting to stay lean? Or what?

 

[Bigmurph6]

I think that tbol or var would be a better fit for an oral especially with your testosterone and proviron. You can run low cals and get as much protein as possible you will lean out keep your muscle mass probably add a little and then back to trt it will be an alright run but if you can xrop the weight first than you can add alot more mass especially with tbol test and proviron.

 

[vetvso]

The reason I like winstrol is that it does not cause water weight. I don’t get major gains but I do get 3-5 pounds maybe of gains. It also works well with my diet and increases my workout intensity. The downside is that I need to run a small dose at 25mg morning/evening for a total of 50mg max or I get right shoulder pain. Also the pumps can cause limitations for my workouts and might be why my left bicep and forearm hurt sometimes. I’m open to something else but the water weight is my major concern and winstrol seems to help me drop water-weight gined from TRT as well. I did test anavar oral and it might also be ok but I would need to do another test.

 

[Bigmurph6]

If that’s what you feel the most comfortable with than you should use winstrol.
I reccomend var or tbol because they don’t produce estrogen which means no water weight but unlike winstrol which dries out your tendons and joints var and tbol don’t go that route. There also easier on your lipids.

Go with what works for you though because everyone is different

 

[Rusty]

Hey brother. I love proviron. It can have negative effects on your BP and Cholesterol. When I was on my summer cycle both my BP and Cholesterol got outta whack. I stopped my compounds went on TRT and went on a very cholesterol friendly diet. I am not 100 percent sure if it was proviron or Tren or that fact that I had a shitty diet cholesterol wise during the summer. Maybe a combo of all three. I love proviron and I am going to start it back up now. But with that in mind I am keeping my diet lean taking cq10 and krill and fish oil, garlic and cialis (so if cholesterol gets high plaque won’t build up on arteries walls) eating avacado and cutting back saturated fats. I’ll be checking my BP periodically at Walgreens and getting cholesterol checked again in a month.

 

[Dirtnasty]

I think your issues were tren related

 

[Rusty]

I think mostly so also. But knowing that I am prone to cholesterol and bp side effect from compounds I am just gonna keep an eye on it for next three to four weeks before I start my next cycle to see if there are any issues cause it’ll be proviron alone for a little bit. I like how it makes me feel and I want to see what if any side effects hit me from it. From the research I have done it is one of the most side effects free compounds out there but the one possible is caridiovascular.

 

[vetvso]

I will need to do a small test. I have some good tips here and will need to do some detailed research.

 

[vetvso]

I also do well with Arimidex once I find it again. It’s kind of weird but I think it lowers my BP in a round about way while controlling my TRT sides.

 

[Bigmurph6]

An AI like arimidex can definitely help with your BP by lowering your estrogen and water weight.

 

[vetvso]

Yes seems to work well and is not to strong. I think people should also take supplements like certain aminos, vitamins, and minerals because all medications cause leaching of different things from our bodies. I’m over 50 and 2020 was a hard year for me and did hurt my overall workouts and BF from my 2019 reductions. I’m stronger overall but need to hit the cardio more. Thanks to everyone here for the advice and support.

 

[vetvso]

I have my new OTC supplements ordered and I will begin my modified program for 1/2 months to see how my natural Test does. It is a program designed by a doctor for VA wounded for certain brain injuries and to correct low test. I was already doing most of it and it helps some but my doses were way to low. Today is arm workout after working all night for 13hrs and still feeling good so it might be helping some already. I will post the regiment soon.

 

[vetvso]

I’m not sure why but my strength and endurance is really rising. I take very little Yrst E and Will cycle off soon for my test. Diet is more dialed in and my aminos, BCAA’s and other supplements began arriving. I have had several injuries first lower back and then left arm so it’s been a struggle but this morning I was like 20 again and I’m not on any AS right now. Hopefully this continues! I’m off to sleep for 6hrs and then my evening workout with the family.

 

[Bigmurph6]

Im curious about the test your doing with the va

 

[Bigmurph6]

I also gave you your veterans badge

 

[Poppy]

I am also curious about va trt

 

[Bigmurph6]

You should create a new topic in the trt category titled trt going through the VA

It would be a great thread for alot of veterans

 

[Poppy]

To be honest the last time i heard of the va treating with test anything was a long time ago when some buddies were ate up with agent orange stuff from vietnam. They prescribed him massive amounts of the oral methelytestosterone (spelling i know). That was mid 80,s. I’m out of touch now for sure.

 

[vetvso]

I’m going put more details over next few days. FYI I was on propanol for my BP and IR was impacting my test levels but I don’t know how much. I have been on mew medication and it’s possible my body is producing more natural Test. I took my last shot of .5ml last Monday. I have post cycle meds and they are apart of the new protocol anyway. @Bigmurph once I have everything written up I will post in a new thread

 

[vetvso]

Anyone ever have left arm fore arm get sore and never heal? Some people call it golf elbow. It really has setback arm workout for two months now and it’s a new injury.