Off gear since last year

[Wcr86]

I never said it didn’t stop producing test, that was not part of my argument here all I’m saying is is if you start out before pinning with 1000ng/dl and the other guy has nil then you will absolutely have a higher number than the other person for a few weeks. As soon as you pin your own endogenous level doesn’t magically disappear it takes time and your endogenous testosterone has a half like of 4hrs on average. So if you had 1000 the half life would be 500 then 250 then 125 etc. That is after your shutdown, which can take some time. Use common sense people. I am beginning to think that people think as soon as you pin you immediately go to zero ( that isn’t how it works)

 

[Ironside]

You’re right, it doesn’t just drop to 0. I misunderstood your post and thought you were somehow adding in a person’s natural levels to the total test serum after starting exogenous test.

 

[Wcr86]

If you are on testosterone base it can suppress you within about 10 hrs but on cyp it can take 2 weeks or more to fully suppress you hell it was three for me.

 

[kingkonggainz]

That’s what I was wondering brother. Also was the bloods taken directly after pct or just recently

 

[PHD]

Bro that has nothing to do with my levels being lower than yours and I’m only 5’8” and weight 225 so that theory is void. My natural levels are 75 I was off test n gear for 8 months totally clean system cleared out. I’m not really sure how you get to this conclusion.

@Wcr86 is correct about someone with lower natural test levels. @MuscleGod all your questions are invalid and really make no sense at all

 

[PHD]

So @MuscleGod explain this. Dallas McCarver weighed close to 300 pounds when he passed away. Explain how his levels were the highest that’s ever been measured? Technically according to your theory??? He should be drastically lower rear levels since he weighs way more than most humans ???

 

[MuscleGod]

@PHD first of all I said its just a thought lol also I said that it would be lower for a bigger person if its the same dose for example both use 500mg/wk test e but who knows how much Test Dallas McCarber had pinned? Could be 1g? 1.5g ? We don’t know. Again i said this was all just a thought***
All my questions are invalid & don’t make sense? Apologize to anyone who find my facts too complicated for them to understand.
& No @Wcr86 is not correct about someone with lower natty levels will have lower levels on cycle lmao, within a couple of weeks, natty test is close to non existent.

 

[MuscleGod]

@kingkonggainz well @Wcr86 said that without pct he should be back to normal, I guess pct is not important after all lol seriously tho, let me explain to @Wcr86 after a cycle the testis shrink down, & stops producing natty test etc, pct is like a JumpStart, it elevates FSH & LH to high normal levels if not above normal & this stimulates the testis & helps get them back to normal, without pct there’s no surge in FSH or LH & they’ll just slowly recover to normal levels after a much longer time then pct, by the time they do recover, the testis have been shut down for very long now & decrease the chance of them recovering fully, & they’d have missed out on the FSH & LH surge from pct, its just like during puberty, males get a huge surge in all this hormones which jump starts the testis to increase in size & function as an adult male & then they level out back to normal to “maintain” function

 

[MuscleGod]

@Ironside finally someone who has knowledge & common sense, when I said yes 600mg of test should get levels somewhere around 3,000 ng/DL they acted like its a myth or something, but you are definitely right on everything, that how I too judge if my test is dosed right, should be around 5.5x the dose of test could be 5x could be 6x as long as its close to that range.

 

[PHD]

You make my brain hurt I need a break from this thread

 

[PHD]

You ask rhetorical questions that makes no sense. I mean do you even understand what you’re talking about? I don’t give a flying fuck how big you are or I am everyone is going to measure differently not because I’m bigger than you or your bigger than me. To ask or refer to that as being diluted I think you said is really dumb analogy if that’s what you are trying to do.

 

[Wcr86]

You are correct a proper pct will do those things, I never said it was a good idea to come off without a pct what I stated was that if you come completely off of cycle with no pct and have no other unseen health issues your body will go into overdrive trying restart your testes. It will take much longer for your body to recover without a pct for sure but you will make a full recovery. Again there are people out there where this isn’t true but those are the rare cases. Now let me point out where you are 100% wrong and only using your bro science and let me tell you it is some of the most piss poor bro science out there ( you aren’t the only one who believes this btw) having you testes shutdown for 3months vs 1yr has almost 0 difference on them starting back up. There are people who are on trt for 5+ years and come off and are back at the levels they were before trt after a pct or no pct and an extended period of time. All the pct does is speed up the process. Please stop regurgitating stuff you read without properly vetting your source first because you were just plain wrong on this part of your statement

 

[MuscleGod]

@PHD Yea I said its a dumb analogy, all I could think of at the time & also regarding where I said that maybe a bigger person will have a lesser concentration of the drug in their body was just a THOUGHT like I said & it’s a thought that makes perfect sense, like for example a 120 Lbs guy will in most cases get drunk more than another guy who weighs 270 Lbs if they both drink the same amount of alcohol, why? Because the drug is distributed on a larger mass, same thing with some other drugs, do you understand what you’re talking about? I understand that not everyone on here is in the medical field but this is just common sense.

 

[MuscleGod]

@Wcr86 would you provide a link to the study of the men that did trt for 5+ years & fully recovered their natty T to where they were? Also those men were on TRT, TRT is not a cycle, a cycle would shut you down hard especially with Nandrolone based drugs, & has a higher chance of permanently impairing HPA axis. With trt your test levels are only increased to normal levels.

 

[Wcr86]

Don’t need to, it’s literally common knowledge now bud, look up Dr. Rand McClains videos if you want steroid knowledge from now on. Or just Google search it, I’m not wasting anymore of my time on this thread bro. Your knowledge is all bro science, that is dangerous. Btw the whole “shut you down hard” thing is dumb. You are suppressed or not. On any androgen long enough you will be suppressed your body will come out of it though. There will not be a permanent impairment unless other medical issues are present. Also you saying that TRT won’t shut you down the same way is in direct contrast with your statements earlier about exogenous hormone shutting you down. Regardless of dose it will eventually shut you down

 

[PHD]

@MuscleGod first off your THOUGHTS AND THEORIES LOL. Bro it makes no sense like you said common sense which I’m really wondering at this point where you pull these THOUGHTS out your ass. I mean your theory or thoughts make absolut zero sense so I know what I’m talking about.

So this is how ridiculous your thoughts are. So if I’m a white male and you’re a purple male. By theory white is a light color so I absorb more testosterone than you because purple is a dark color so
Therefore my test level will be far more superior than yours because I will absorb more of the drug. See I can do you’re left field theories also

 

[PHD]

Bro how dare you question someone with a name like musclegod obviously he’s the god of muscle geez don’t you know anything @Wcr86

 

[Jrrezen1995]

Lmfaooo

 

[MuscleGod]

@Wcr86 I’m the one with the bro science? remember when yesterday you thought someone with higher natty test levels will have high test during the Majority of the cycle? LMAO & no, trt dose depending on how much you do, might not completely shut you down, this is a fact. For example I know I guy who dose low dose trt of 75mg/ week to get his levels from the 400’s to 800’s & his FSH & LU are still in within the normal range he does that because he’s still planning on having kids & he finds this the best way for him, I also read about someone on a forum that was doing something very similar & was followed by his Doc, so if for EXAMPLE someone ran 75mg/test a week & gets his levels from 400 to 800 ng/dl he won’t be fully suppressed, because his test is still within normal range, now when u start dosing TRT at like 250mg+ etc then that’ll probably take you above normal limits & that’s when the body realizes that it needs to reduce FSH LU etc…
& okay bro whatever you say, I guess someone for ex aged 20 who has natty test levels of like 850 ng/DL & rans high dose Test/ Deca for 15 years straight & then gets off without any PCT, they’ll eventually have their levels back to 800 ng/DL naturally right? Lmao

 

[MuscleGod]

@PHD how does my thought make no sense? Do you not know that some drugs have to be dosed based on a person’s BMI? So I said maybe same thing with Test. Not my fault if the not-so-bright individuals don’t understand this.
Also you’re the one pulling shit out your ass, earlier you were arguing that somone pinning same amount of test will have completely different results, while I said it should be somewhat similar, give or take 400ng/DL or so & you didn’t know that 600mg/test would results in levels close to 3,000 but then @Ironside said that he himself also multiply his dosage by 5.5 & judges from their what his test levels should be & also gave the example that 600mg of test would take his levels around 3,300 ng/DL which is also the case with me & others.

I should stop replying, I feel my IQ levels dropping talking to you & @Wcr86 I know my facts & personal experience, so whatever you believe in just keep believing in it, if you do 600mg test a week & your levels come back at 1,200 ng/DL just tell yourself this is normal, everyone is significantly different