Off gear since last year

[MuscleGod]

@PHD No, it would be dumb to think 800mg test will get someone to exactly 4800 but it’s a fact that if a normal adult human is pinned with let’s say 200mg of test the avg test levels via blood test would be something close to 1,200 by that could be like 950 or 1,400 etc… But if its a huge difference, for example it ends up being 500 ng/dl on 200mg of test then there’s a good chance the test is under dosed, again this is an EXAMPLE & has nothing to do with your situation

 

[MuscleGod]

Planning on 600mg test for next cyc, & when I get bloods done while on & let’s say test levels end up being something like 2,000 ng/dL I’ll tell myself “Nah that’s normal, everyone is different”

 

[PHD]

Well come on according to your brilliant theory at 400mg you should be at 2400 right? So at 600mg you should be close to 3000. Boy I’m glad you educated me on how to read blood work and how to properly dose my gear so our levels are exactly the same lol. Mind blown

 

[swoldier]

I wish I could hit 2400 at 400mg

 

[PHD]

Well you should be if you’re using 400mg. I mean that’s the new science now lol

 

[swoldier]

400mg here I come

 

[PHD]

Lol just imagine if you do 800mg it will double to 4800 lol

 

[swoldier]

Then I might look like you, but my nips might be killing me

 

[PHD]

Yep if you take the same amount of dosage of gear as I take you will look exactly like me. Like a clone lol

 

[PHD]

Science is so amazing

 

[MuscleGod]

@swoldier What does your blood levels show on 400mg of test? Something around 1,000 ?

 

[MuscleGod]

@PHD please show me where exactly did I say that everyone should have the EXACT same levels?? I never said that so don’t make up stuff just to help support your argument, & my comments were never edited either. & I explained that 200mg of test should show an avg of something between 950 - 1,400 etc with avg of something close to 1200 so I never said everyone should be the exact same, don’t make up stuff I never said. & Yea 600mg of test should result in levels close to 3000 by that meaning could be 2500 could be 3400. What do you expect your levels to be at 600mg of test a week? Something around 1,500 ? There’s a reason people post blood work & mention the dose of test per week & their last pin before bloods, why? Because from there we can judge if the gear is dosed properly or under/over dosed.

 

[Ironside]

Got my popcorn. Ready…Go

 

[Wcr86]

I am not an expert by anyone’s standards here or anywhere but I think what @PHD is saying is that there are so many factors in play when it comes to total serum and free testosterone that you can’t make a statement on averages. One reason is like he said, his natural test production is at around 75ng/dl, so if 400mg gets him to 1700ng/dl that’s actually an amazing return. Now I don’t know your natural production but let’s say your numbers are average and that you are a 25yr old male ( so your numbers are 650ng/dl) and you take 400mg, it is completely possible for you to hit 2400ng/dl. This would mean you started almost 600 above him and got a little more bang for your buck, like you said everyone is different. Also there are many studies showing that the return rate doesn’t double just because you double your dose, if that was the case we would all be on 2g a week.

 

[Wcr86]

Also, I am not being a dick here but I have seen a lot of @PHD photos and he obviously puts in an insane amount of work and dedication to his body, on top of that he is enhanced with these compounds so I’m going to go out on a limb here and say he knows his shit. Now that being said, if @MuscleGod you show me the same type of progress on your own body I will not eat my words but will definitely say I might be wrong

 

[PHD]

@PHD 400mg should get levels to around 2,400’s ? 200mg usually gets mine to around 1,200’s but I guess everyone metabolizes test differently

@MuscleGod this is where you said your comment. Do
You care to clarify?? I don’t need to make shit up. What your body produces and mine produces are different so to say mine “should” be 2400 because that’s what yours is is just plane dumb. Do I
Need to clarify anything else for you

 

[MuscleGod]

@PHD yes I did say 400mg/wk should get levels around 2400 but in the same sentence I also said everyone metabolizes Test differently.

 

[PHD]

Well if wrong then I’m wrong but that’s pretty much how you made it sound. So if that’s not what you meant then I was wrong.

 

[MuscleGod]

@Wcr86 do you not know that when you’re on cycle your natty production is almost none existent ? ( unless you’re on hcg etc ) so doesn’t really matter what your natty levels are before u start cyc. Also I know a lot of people that also think anyone in great shape makes them automatically knowledgeable of everything, in that case top bodybuilders should be allowed to prescribe TRT etc for others because they’re in great shape so that guarantees they know their shit, right?

 

[MuscleGod]

@PHD also I was thinking the bigger you are the less your levels will be? Let’s say 2 individuals dosing 500mg/wk & one is 285 Lbs & the other is 165 Lbs, the bigger guy would have less test levels in the blood since he weighs a lot more? If that makes sense, this is just a thought tho, what do you or anyone think? Stupid example here but its like throwing a bottle of dye in a small pond versus a huge lake, more dye concentration will be in the smaller pond