we all different else we be a bunch of clones ,tren gets me para and protected over my mrs when ime out ,so i just up my antidepresents lol.to be honest i was looking at that steroid handbook thats been kindley donated and i will tend to go for the cycles suggested on there ,where you front load then come of with hcg ,befor the sides build up ,thats why i only use mtren and mainley small esters