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[Sleezetoast]

Welcome to the board! I suffer from low t due to an accident. Jet ski blew out a testie. Even with low t I never had symptoms like you are describing. I came off trt to have my my little girl. I had less energy and had the urge to drink but nothing like that. Did you get a complete hormone panel?

 

[NeuroRN]

So there’s a lot going on here. Get the fuck away from beligas. You’re injecting the same shit that your labs have proven are not working. When you hear hooves, think horses- not zebras.

If you are injecting an oil that is labeled test, it makes you sick, and your test is not coming up…. You probably are not injecting test.

 

[Poppy]

You probably are not injecting test.

@Lilice24 bingo.

 

[Poppy]

@Lilice24 Might be one of yhe guys that’ll never get restarted again….at least not back to 900’s where he started.

 

[anabolic_geek]

Can you give a little more context to this? Who is victor black? Why is he someone that we should listen to? (Literally have no idea who he is ) what data does he have saying this is a better plan for the hpta? From what we know about the hpta, longer suppression usually leads to a harder restart.

You can find him by googling Victor Black Master Class. He also has an Instagram. He does coaching and PED education on his website and 1:1. I found him because both him and Team Evil GSP were cited by Dr. Mike in a video he did with Greg Doucette.

I wanna preface this by saying: If you’re looking for data in the performance/physique enhancement world you’re already playing a losing game — all the data you will find is anecdotal or it’s gonna come from some self proclaimed guru.

Now, gurus come in many flavors and personally I prefer the evidence based ones. Victor seems to be very evidence based and my anecdotal experience on PEDs seems to track with what he’s saying. That said, there’s an awful lot of science speak out of him, so sometimes I’m not entirely sure if he’s blowing smoke. But he seems legit. You can take a look at his Instagram to see his sources and data he uses. He also posts sources on his YouTube podcasts.

As for HPTA recovery, he has this to say:

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[NeuroRN]

Thank you for this. In class right now. Will read on next break!

 

[JLee]

Welcome to UGM

 

[Poppy]

An observation of the fellas situation from you would be great

 

[Xpliot]

His Instagram and website are interesting… but Idk wouldn’t cycling for that long just shut you down? I mean I’m on trt for life but wouldn’t a actual cycle say 500 be bad for long term like that??

 

[Lilice24]

Much much appreciating all the post right now!!! Truly any one that would like to give insight or suggestions is more than welcome!! Can save my life at this point. My biggest symptoms would be panic attacks almost every 3 days if not 2 days. And anxiety everyday throughout the day and depressive episodes. Serious dark episodes. I have got a full blood panel done and everything checks out my thyroid, my fsh is 1.5, my cholestrol and everything else is in check, hemoglobin in check, rbc in check, literally everything is smack on except for test and free test. Which are borderline low. Also, if it is worth noting, i still workout but a lot less about 4 days week. And i make no progress. Seems my body actually gains fat. My muscles are extremely small, my bones are smaller, everyday im losing weight but getting a bit more fat. Again not sure if it is directly related to the testosterone, but i can when i “was” on it. I felt the best ive ever felt since i was alive. Sex drive was through the rough, lifts were crazy, pumps were crazy, eating was crazy, was so happy that i had episodes of extreme happiness for no reason at all! Everything and anything helps guys truly. At this point it can seriously save my life. Im tired of these docs telling me im either bipolar or have anxiety disorder and just trying to throw pills at me as ive seen with those pills have done to some very good people. Thanks!

 

[Xpliot]

You thought about going to a trt doctor?? My test was very low and my insurance wouldn’t cover it and my regular doctor said it wasn’t low enough… I had some similar symptoms… I went to trt doctor and they said I was as low as a little girl and signed me right up… but I pay 200 a month.

 

[Lilice24]

Also as of now i do not have any testosterone at all as all the beligas were bad and i dont trust buying from online sites anymore. Pretty scared of doing that now

 

[JLee]

Did you take the clomid and HCG post cycle or during cycle? Some people take HCG the entire cycle and some blast after last injection before clomid and nolvadex. Personally I think you cycled way to long for a first cycle but @ 400 for test which is low means your producing something. It may take awhile before it goes any higher.

 

[Poppy]

Ok buddy. Let’s back away from the edge a bit. Take a deep breath and relax.

First all of our sponsors here have been vetted. Sure there’s the occasional under dosing. I literally just posted on another thread…read around the site and pick one you feel comfortable with.

Second dont do anymore for the moment. At least until this is sorted out.

Third your t isn’t rock bottom yet. Don’t let your mind take control of your actions. You’re just panicking.

 

[Lilice24]

Yes ive tried and they told me the same thing as my primary that my t is normal. So i said all these awful symptoms are okay? And not related to testosterone and they told me no that i could just be bipolar i which i got up and left respectively

 

[JLee]

If I’m not mistaken your not supposed to run HCG with clomid and nolvadex. You run hcg then pct. I believe I read that here somewhere

 

[Poppy]

I think you’re panicking… just simmer down brother.

 

[JLee]

Also the rule of thumb is you take off as long as you cycled. 18 weeks on, 18 weeks off

 

[NeuroRN]

He’s intriguing. Some of what he says makes sense. I like that he states we should be thinking about the next 20 years not the next 20 weeks in terms of how we run compounds. I like that a lot actually.

He comes across as very used car salesman and that makes me struggle with what he’s saying. He doesn’t outright answer many questions he asks Bc he wants you to pay for something. My personal bias about his delivery diminishes my belief in what he’s selling.

He also touts he’s the only one doing xyz. I dunno.

All that being said… SOME of his points are great. I don’t believe a 18 month cycle is harm reduction but everyone gets to do what they want in the end.

 

[Lilice24]

Thanks a bunch. Yeah theres times i do panic but its only because my life is going down dramatically. Family is worried for me as its been almost 7 months now and im constantly down and not myself anymore. I mean atleast by now i would assume id be atleast half back to how i was and im not even that. T seems to never get passed 500 no matter what i do. Kinda lost of what to do at this point. Which is why im here hoping to find some insight. I mean all my symptoms definitely point to low T . Literally every single one. And is weird that when i was on i felt happy all the time. Like i said ive done numerous blood test and everything in my body checks out except for testosterone. I do remember when i first started taking the beligas i must of got a good batch or something because midway about the 6th weeks i had extremely sensitive nipples and i would get super emotional over everything but not in a bad way just emotional. Which i believe is the high estrogen. Im thinking the only way to even tell if it might be the test is to order some test propionate and try it as its a short half life and see what that does? I was definitely thinking of ordering some from flash labs, have no idea how to order though as everytime i try it never lets me get pass the checkout screen. Again thank you all. I am reading every word you guys write as its very helpful to me.