Really need advice on how to proceed with cycle

[Bigbool88]

Hey brothers, I hope you’ve all been well, staying healthy, happy, and getting good muscle!

I started my first cycle 6 weeks ago, running the following:
600mg Test E, split 300mg E3.5D
50mg Anavar ED
Going to add 4 weeks of Dbol (50mg/ED) for weeks 8-12

I feel stronger (I think?) and I see some mild changes, but if I’m honest, I’m not happy with the progress. My diet is very on point, eating at a large excess clean (+1500 calories more than maintenance), my training is harder than ever (7 days a week, twice a day split morning and night).

I was going to run the cycle 16 weeks then go into PCT, but I decided to instead run it for 12 weeks then cruise on 160mg test prop/week (daily subQ injections) for another 12 weeks, then start my 2nd blast.

I’ll get bloods done at the end of this 12 weeks then prior to starting my 2nd blast.

Some misc. info:
5’11
Quite fat (258lb)
I eat about 4,000 calories a day (up from 2,500 to maintain at 238, I went up 20lb this cycle from water weight most likely).
My BP is 148/80 at rest (checked at doctor’s office)
I very infrequently use Anastrazole but my E2 is probably way too high (I figured I already have gyno from years of being obese that I’d need surgery some day anyways, so might as well let’em grow lol)

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Questions:
Is it a good idea for me to cut during the upcoming 12 week cruise, bringing calories back down to 2500/day to go back down to ~230? I might toss in an ECA stack and taper calories down to 2000day, then add fasted cardio, to bring it down to ~210.

Is 2-4 IUs of HGH/day worth the investment or possibly too early for me?

For my 2nd blast, I was considering incorporating tren, but I’m worried about the neurodegenerative effects. I heard Trest doesn’t have these, any thoughts on a good recomp cycle without tren?

 

[NeuroRN]

A lot to unpack here. You ran 600mg of test, rarely used an AI, didn’t get labs and already had gyno? This is not safe. Or smart. High e2 has quite a bit of farther reaching effects than tits. Like heart attack, stroke, pulmonary embolism just to name a few.

And you want to add dbol? Another high aromatizing compound? Not my idea of harm reduction. I’d focus on finishing out this cycle safely before looking forward.

 

[Bigbool88]

I did run bloods prior to cycle. I do use AIs, but I’m not sure what signs to look for to dial it in, since there’s so many different accounts of high E2 symptoms.

I heard people saying “use it as needed”, but when is “needed?”

Should I possibly use 0.25mg anastrozole daily for a week then run bloods to see how my E2 is, then change dosing depending on that?

 

[Poppy]

This is your very first cycle ever?

How old?

You said “quite fat”…really?

 

[John]

If your saying your fat, maybe cut out some cals, what about cardio,also your just gonna get water weight with the dbol, especially you said you got mostly water weight

 

[Dirtnasty]

Well it’s harder to notice
Gains when covered in fat. Also how is yiur training. Gear works but you have to be doing the work as well

 

[Bigbool88]

26 years old. First cycle ever.

Quite fat as in, I used to be 315lb of just obese blob unathletic (I couldn’t even bench 60lb…, never did a pull-up in my life nor a push-up). The past year I grinded the noob gains out, reached down to 238 but actually recomped (OHP went to 135 5x5, bench went to 235 1RM, squat 280 1RM, deadlift 380 1RM).

Despite all that, I’d still say upper 20% bodyfat prior to start of cycle. The gold’s gym 3D styku scanners, for whatever they’re worth, said 26% (I’ll get a Dexa scan tomorrow actually).

 

[Bigbool88]

My training has been very good and consistent. I do about 30-40 hard sets a day, split into two different sessions.

 

[Bigbool88]

Just wanted to say I really do appreciate everyone’s advice. Again, really sorry about the naivety and my stupidity

 

[Poppy]

Ok buddy

First. Congrats on your weight loss. That’s astonishing.

Probably wouldn’t do the dbol.

I also think you might be a little confused about “cruising” and “pct”. At your age I would advise a strong purposeful pct so you can start producing your own test again. I just wrote a small article in trt section.

 

[Dirtnasty]

You should have waited till you were farther along In yiur fitness journey you body isn’t ready to use the roids to there full potential.

 

[Bigbool88]

I’ll definitely check out the article, thanks for all you do brother.

 

[Bigbool88]

I see that now, and I gotta agree with you, but I’m knee deep already

 

[Poppy]

@Dirtnasty is correct. Your body reacts way better the leaner it is.

 

[Bigbool88]

I’ve heard if I cut during PCT though, I’d likely lose all the gains from this cycle. Would I be better off using the remaining 10 weeks of this cycle to cut, then trying to maintain for the duration of PCT?

 

[Poppy]

You’re getting out of my wheelhouse… somebody with more knowledge needs to chime in.

Maybe terminate your cycle and pct back to normal. Loose a little more weight. Start again.?

@NeuroRN @John @Dirtnasty @Bigmurph

 

[Dirtnasty]

If your ready fatbulk is bad idea you’d be surprised the amount of mthat scow you vaca build in slight deficit when fat I’m hoping to add 2-5 pound of muscle on my cut cause co
Pounds and shilth to use day as energy so myecesel fettbereprotein

 

[Rusty]

I agree with @Poppy terminate. PCT get in the right place and start over doing it correctly. You should’ve done bloods 4 weeks in to see how your body is responding as well
As before for baseline. It’s hard to go off side effects.

Listen to these guys. Especially @NeuroRN and @Bigmurph they know their shit bro.

And congrats on the weight loss Thats killer!!!

 

[Bigmurph6]

very infrequently use Anastrazole but my E2 is probably way too high (I figured I already have gyno from years of being obese that I’d need surgery some day anyways, so might as well let’em grow lol)

This is horrible high estrogen leads to serious cardiac issues especially if you’re carrying weight.

Some misc. info:
5’11
Quite fat (258lb)

You even say your carrying some fat brother you need to take this more seriously. You can have a cardiac event easily with high or low testosterone.

Questions:
Is it a good idea for me to cut during the upcoming 12 week cruise, bringing calories back down to 2500/day to go back down to ~230? I might toss in an ECA stack and taper calories down to 2000day, then add fasted cardio, to bring it down to ~210.

You shouldn’t do a cruise unless you’re seeing a doctor for trt brother.
If you run an eca stack your playing with fire if your estrogen is on the high end you should pct off and lose the weight then hit the cycle if you have low t then you need doc supervised trt until you get everything lined up.

Is 2-4 IUs of HGH/day worth the investment or possibly too early for me?

It might be good for you longterm at 2iu 5 days a week for atleast a year to start.

Run npp over tren but a nor19 is going to shut you down hard so after you take one shot of nandrolone you will be shutdown for atleast a year unless you’re really young with a high natural testosterone level.
Just cut
test prop or cyp or enanthate i reccomend prop
Npp
Mast p or proviron

I would pin either every day or eod and the testosterone and proviron or mast. I would run longer than the nandrolone. Probably around 4wks then start pct 3 wks later strong or back to trt which ever route you choose.

I just saw your 26 your crazy and going to be on trt for the rest of your life for sure if you run a nor19. Im just trying to give you a heads up take it easy run 12 wks pct and then plan your next cycle while cutting weight brother.
You will see much better results if you cut weight first I cut 60lbs before I started to use aas again your better off health wise and gains wise brother.

 

[NeuroRN]

If you’re worried your e2 is high get blood work done now. That’s how you know if it’s needed.