Telehealth, gear, and my career

[Outlawthing]

You know what drives a lot of it is the almighty dollar and lobbyists and govt and there laws and rules and regulations. Because they know what’s best for me i would be willing to bet big pharmaceutical company’s have a lot to do with treatment protocols
However boss don’t ever think what you do is not appreciated especially by the ones who know what you go through on the daily seen enough on med calls with FD to respect what you do

 

[NeuroRN]

Unfortunately I agree with you. As evidenced by covid protocols etc. I love what I do, but I definitely wish we could do some things different!

 

[Youts]

I still can’t believe lobbying is a thing, and the almighty dollar rules all, there’s too much money to be made by locking people up, and making shit illegal allows the government to participate without a paper trail.

 

[NeuroRN]

Especially healthcare lobbying. If we can sell known carcinogens to people and let them make their own choices, then there should be a whole lot of things that are “bad” that we should be able to choose freely.

 

[Bigmurph6]

I couldn’t agree more

 

[Youts]

I couldn’t agree more, if I’m not hurting anyone else, there shouldn’t be an issue.

 

[Outlawthing]

People don’t really realize how much freedom they don’t have and they want more of it every day I think you should be able to do you as long as you don’t hurt others your life your choice but they give away to much “free money” to actually let you be free if you take handouts from the govt it’s like a payoff and they own you

 

[NeuroRN]

I think that’s an outstanding point, the free money breeds dependency.

Then you have others who still choose to act freely, and they abuse it- like a heroine addict, they weren’t hurting anyone until they end up in my ICU, with no money to pay for the 4 month stay, and then they act like the goods and service I produce is their “right”… if you can’t tell I’m very against the socialization of medicine. I’m not saying I have the answer, but I’m saying don’t claim freedom to choose what you want, and then claim that your rights dictate the use of my highly specialized goods and service.

There’s responsibility in freedom. If you have the freedom to choose to overdose once a month, I should eventually have the freedom to stop giving you narcan.

 

[NeuroRN]

Most junkies that come In know we have to treat them. That’s what ties the thought of handouts building dependency in my head.

 

[Arkrov]

Its funny you mentioned the lack of training On AAS in schooling. My primary said the said the same thing and is the best doc I have ever had. He used to body build and get saucy. Like others said you need a physician who understands and supports the health of the individual and that’s just not the norm.

I have used clinics in Florida, product/price shopped there TX, and Russia.

They were all about meeting min guidelines to satisfy regulator requirements to not have license be pulled. Some places play ball faster than others but all basic compounds (test,peptides,hgh) were accessible no problem.

I think you could do well undercutting these types of places with pricing and proper information to clients. After I get my MM grow going, this is my next project. The industry is ripe for plunder if your not greedy and actually educate people.

 

[Bigmurph6]

Addiction is considered a disease but an emergency room is no place to treat that disease. They need to bring back at prison systems a place for addicts to be locked up and not sent through the health care system.
They still in my opinion though need to be treated as a patient in the prison system get them medication but in a hospital your not prepared to deal with them and a jail being an ex junkie who was addicted to painkillers you should just be locked up.
I know its not your fault but your colleagues who are greedy criminal doctors caused this to happen so I pray that medications like suboxone and others that are available and can get people clean need to be used if someone comes into your er they should be given a shot of sublocade so that they can’t get high again for a month.
The answers are there but no one wants to pay for them and that’s understandable because I definitely don’t want to and actually I believe that getting the junkies going back to doctors and not using heroin and fentanyl is the answer and then you wouldn’t have to deal with them they can go to the mental illness doctors and should be able to get whatever medication they need. Make them come every morning just like they do to get heroin. It will eventually get them back on track because no junkie enjoys waking up every day and having to score so if you offer them a way to stop having to do that they will take the opportunity. Most hate health care workers because you remind them of the doctors that got them addicted. Im the same way I still have a hatred for doctors that I should probably work on but the trama from what doctors did to me will probably never go away.

 

[NeuroRN]

I realized after I hit the reply button there was a personal narrow scope to my post but didn’t know how to word the big picture. Which you did very well @Bigmurph. It’s a complex issue. My personal frustrations with my experience in a very narrow field of vision led to a short sighted post for which I apologize.

I’m in full support of getting an addict the help they need. I agree 1000000% the ER and the ICU is not where that healing takes place completely. And when at work I’m the first one to admit to my patients point blank that I don’t understand addiction, that doesn’t make it any less real, it means we have to work harder together to make you better- and that starts with you (the patient) treating me (the nurse) with the same respect I’m trying to show you.

It’s complex. I love the idea of making them wake up early and get their Suboxone. I actually have made patients get out of bed and walk around the unit before I will give it to them bc I believe getting up and moving is in line with that you were saying. You have to make an effort to get this.

Again, I’m sorry for the short sighted initial post on the matter. There are frustrations on both sides of the addiction problem.

 

[Bigmurph6]

There’s absolutely no need for an apology because that’s your point of view of the situation and I appreciate you sharing that with us I just wanted to share another point of view.
You said it perfect its a very difficult situation because its been going on for 30yrs. They don’t like to admit it but this problem started in the early 90s were in 2020 and there has been really not much done to solve the situation that was created by criminal doctors not all of them these were drug dealers with degrees.
Now 30yrs later and because they cut everyone off really from prescription drugs without a way to deal with the problem and then heroin dealers and fentanyl dealers have flourished and made it even worse.
Its not fair to health care workers your not supposed to have to deal with a person who doesn’t even want to be at the hospital. It doesn’t make sense this is why I believe that a mental illness facility or a prison program needs to be created but they still need to be treated like patients but I guess you could say hostile patients because that’s exactly what they are until you get them on a detox regimen.

I really agree with you especially in your position it isn’t right and you shouldn’t be responsible to give them narcan over and over I couldn’t agree more they need to find a better way the addicts are sick but not the same definition of sick as the patients you should be treating.
I have alot of respect for you and don’t feel bad at all for sharing your honesty opinion.

 

[Youts]

I can see the frustration for both, I had my own dealings with addiction and it’s no joke, but honestly I withdrew at home and never once went to the ER, I wanted to because those nights were horrible being cold turkey off oxy, but shame kept me away.

ER isn’t the place, but there needs to be more places you can walk in and say “I need help”, it was very tough for me to find one, and I almost gave up many times. They have to be there for when you hit bottom, the drive is there, but you can get discouraged fast.

 

[Arkrov]

As I’m sitting here on my cell waiting to pick up someone from the hospital its all a mute point. To many variables with genetics to ever have a solution to dependency.

While we should treat dependancy as a disease we should also treat low iq and chronic offenders as such. Life is not fair, you can’t pick your parents, and everyone gets a different set of cards. In American there are enough outlets to let those with mental hp and drive to scratch there way out of purgatory.

We have to be compassionate with standards for redemption. As being a prior addict I want humanity to evolve and if that means weeding out the bad cultivars so be it.

 

[NeuroRN]

I was apologizing for only posting half of my true feelings. I admire the hell out of so many on this forum for being able to see both sides of so many issues.

We’re 100% on the same page here. I just want people to get better… because THEY want to get better. That’s why I love being icu nurse. Those times patients efforts match your own are downright magical.

 

[Bigmurph6]

Couldn’t be said any better that is my favorite part about ugmuscle also is being able to discuss anything from multiple angles if needed.
I enjoy good discussions about good topics.

 

[Outlawthing]

That story is all too familiar bro As bad as they say anabolics are it seems like a lot of us that have those backgrounds. End up here is it the AAS or is it the people that don’t judge and know what you have been through I been on both sides was strung out on bout anything I could get my hands on and been helping give narcan to overdoses people are so quick to judge and especially the ones that have never been addicted to a substance I do agree that there hospitals are not the place they need somewhere between a jail and hospital like murph said to help educate physically and then mentally for those who want help but I can tell you from experience if the person doesn’t want help you can’t help them at that point they truly have to want out of that life

 

[Bigmurph6]

if the person doesn’t want help you can’t help them at that point they truly have to want out of that life

This is absolutely true you can lock an addict up for years if they don’t want to stop as soon as they get released they will go and score and usually overdose because they’re not used to what they were in the past
They have to be at there point when thrre done or it will never happen.

 

[Sig516]

@NeuroRN hat to interrupt but I’m hurting bad. Woke up with a lingering migrane yesterday a.m. had another at 11.30 pm last nite. Insane amount of pain. Can’t stand up straight. No vision problems eyes burn like he’ll tho. Nausea from pain. Does this sound like a migrane? 2 in less than 24hrs? I’m going to have to hit up that er in the next 18 if this comes back full force again. Input welcome i have rarely had these not sure about it… edit i started my gear cycle 24hrs prior to this npp 250t 50 dbol 25 provirin