On the HCG issue, my experience is that it is effective for recovering natural test production after an extended and complete shutdown, up to a certain age. When I was 39, six months of HCG and very low test injections did the trick for me, and I was so shutdown, I couldn’t have an orgasm to save my life, and the only way I got hard was with a ton of viagra, regardless of how turned on I was in my head. I do not believe, however, that HCG would be effective for me now, at 55, if I were to come off TRT. Just don’t believe the boys would bounce back the same way now, which is why I’ve given up the ghost and committed to TRT for life. Whether it would be effective at Murph’s age given his background, I don’t know. It definitely does spike E2, which can be counterproductive. That is why my prior doc, may he rest in peace, married it with micro-doses of test cyp. I did 100iu of HCG ED and 20 mg of test cyp ED. Six months of that had me back to normal when I was a youngin.